College conference shake-up!

[ISUKappa]

I am an Iowa State alum and this whole shakeup is extremely disconcerting to me. Iowa State (an AAU and Tier-1 research school) has the potential to be left out in the cold due to greedy bastards who don't care about the student athlete, they just want $$$$.

The only known certainty right now is that Colorado is Gone. Nebraska will most likely be gone as of this afternoon. As to what happens after that, nobody knows. There are so many rumors floating around that it's hard to say what's based in truth and what's complete crap. Unless the Pac-10 definitely decides to expand to 16 teams, I highly doubt that the Big 10 (or whatever they're going to call themselves now) will expand further.

There's speculation that this will eventually evolve into the creation of four 16-team "super" conferences that will form their own governing system, thereby nullifying the NCAA, and move toward a play-off style championship system. That is entirely driven by $$$ and the government would most likely start getting involved due to anti-trust issues. College athletics would lose their "not-for-profit" status.

To some conferences, it is about academics. The Big 10 has outright said that. But in reality, it's more about TV sets and expanding footprints to make more $$$ from athletics. Increasing $$$ for academics via grants and research is important, but secondary. Athletics (FB specifically) is completely driving this bus.

I hate it. I wasn't fond of the Big XII only because it wasn't a good relationship from the start. I miss the Big 8, but know those schools will never be back again.

[OHNOITSJESS]

and somewhat quietly (well compared to the chaos going on in the Big 12/Big 10/Pac-10)
Boise State moves to the Mountain West.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5276064

[ISUKappa]

Nebraska is expected to make the official announcement they're joining the Big 10 any minute now.

[OHNOITSJESS]

i think the announcement about Nebraska was just made.

[AXOmom]

Yeah, Utah has been discussed off and on for awhile (the feeling being they would be a good match with Colorado and the Salt Lake City market wasn't bad), but then that died down. Now its resurfacing a bit because of Colorado coming on, not being sure about what direction the Texas/Oklahoma schools will go, and wanting to keep an even number whatever we do. I've also heard Kansas and even Missouri discussed (but imo the Missouri one is pretty out there as far as possibilities go).

Baylor came up with the original discussions about Texas again, not because we wanted them (nothing to do with Baylor as a school - just a "fit" issue), but for the reasons I think Txpacer outlined quite well - we thought we might have to take them in order to get Texas. Here's another one of the links on it:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...=rivals-378917. This was a couple of weeks back, and I think at this point that its a dead issue.

[OHNOITSJESS]

I know at UT recruitemnt is super competitive. I'm pretty sure its fairly competitive @ A&M and Tech too. Not sure about the Oklahoma schools.

[ISUKappa]

The scuttlebutt that I've been reading is the four (possibly five depending on what TxA&M decides to do - Pac10 or SEC if they offer) BigXII South teams minus Baylor will state their intent to move to the Pac10 on Tuesday. I can't really see a conservative school like Baylor being offered if Stanford, Cal, etc... have always had issues with adding BYU. If A&M goes west with the rest of the south, then the Pac10 has their 16 teams and they're done.

The most encouraging talk for me personally is that the four schools left from the Big XII North band together and join the Big East, bringing their football schools to 12. Basketball schools would be at 20, which is getting large, but doable if you split into two 10-team conferences. There's always the chance that the conference gets raided by the Big 10 or ACC at some point in the future, but adding TV markets and schools with tradition such as KU (basketball) and those that have had recent success in FB (KSU, Mizzou and even ISU to a point) would definitely strengthen the conference and help ease the pain if some schools did decide to pursue other affiliations down the road.

[AXOmom]

Full*hearts - I'm not a Wildcats fan, but they finished 2nd in the Pac 10 this year in football and the Sun Devils finished 9th. They also won the Territorial Cup.

But otherwise, you're completely right - your baseball team is flat out great and the basketball team is very good (much better than ours - we're the doormats in that department).

On a side note, my daughter was a cheerleader at a Pac-10 school (not the one she currently attends), her freshman year, and the one away game she got to attend was at ASU. I got a call from her that Saturday afternoon that went like this, "Mom, it is SO gorgeous here, and it's 80 degrees! There are palm trees! Can I transfer here next year?" Yeah, sure honey, that out of state tuition won't be a problem. .

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

Full*hearts - I'm not a Wildcats fan, but they finished 2nd in the Pac 10 this year in football and the Sun Devils finished 9th. They also won the Territorial Cup.

But otherwise, you're completely right - your baseball team is flat out great and the basketball team is very good (much better than ours - we're the doormats in that department).

On a side note, my daughter was a cheerleader at a Pac-10 school (not the one she currently attends), her freshman year, and the one away game she got to attend was at ASU. I got a call from her that Saturday afternoon that went like this, "Mom, it is SO gorgeous here, and it's 80 degrees! There are palm trees! Can I transfer here next year?" Yeah, sure honey, that out of state tuition won't be a problem. .

That's because my beloved Sun Devils have kind of, hmm, sucked the last couple of years in football. U of A won the territorial cup! That sucks!!!!!

LOL to your daughter. That made me smile.

So now the Pac-10 has become the Pac-11 (that just sounds odd) and it could become the Pac-16 (which sounds odder).

So now my question to the sports officianados (totally spelled that word wrong), how would this change the football season? I looked online and ASU already has their football season planned. With the adding of Colorado to the Pac-10, if ASU isn't scheduled to play them, don't they have to be scheduled to play them? Then who (well what team) would they get "rid of" to compensate? And what if it becomes the Pac-16 are teams expected to rearrange their seasons to compensate for the new schools in the Pac-10? Or would this be something that would be started next season?

What about the bowl games? Wouldn't the dissolution of a conference change the bowl games? Right now the Pac-10 (if I remember correctly) does the Holiday Bowl, a Pac-10 team can make the Insight Bowl. I don't think they can make Fiesta Bowl anymore (they could at one point). Those are the only ones I can remember (probably because two of the three are done in AZ).

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

So now my question to the sports officianados (totally spelled that word wrong), how would this change the football season?

Might be talking out of my ass, but I thought that the change wouldn't happen until 2012.

[WaterChild]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Might be talking out of my ass, but I thought that the change wouldn't happen until 2012.

I know that the change will officially happen July 1, 2011 for Boise State, and I assume that it will be the same for everyone else switching conferences as well.

[ISUKappa]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

That's because my beloved Sun Devils have kind of, hmm, sucked the last couple of years in football. U of A won the territorial cup! That sucks!!!!!

LOL to your daughter. That made me smile.

So now the Pac-10 has become the Pac-11 (that just sounds odd) and it could become the Pac-16 (which sounds odder).

So now my question to the sports officianados (totally spelled that word wrong), how would this change the football season? I looked online and ASU already has their football season planned. With the adding of Colorado to the Pac-10, if ASU isn't scheduled to play them, don't they have to be scheduled to play them? Then who (well what team) would they get "rid of" to compensate? And what if it becomes the Pac-16 are teams expected to rearrange their seasons to compensate for the new schools in the Pac-10? Or would this be something that would be started next season?

What about the bowl games? Wouldn't the dissolution of a conference change the bowl games? Right now the Pac-10 (if I remember correctly) does the Holiday Bowl, a Pac-10 team can make the Insight Bowl. I don't think they can make Fiesta Bowl anymore (they could at one point). Those are the only ones I can remember (probably because two of the three are done in AZ).

I think the conference shakeup is pretty much done for this round, with the exception of Utah potentially joining the Pac-10 at some point in the next two years.

Bowl tie-ins did some switching around last year. I'm guessing, barring some huge incident, that they will stay the same.

Current Pac-10 tie-ins:
2010-2013:

* #1 Bowl Championship Series. The Pac-10 champion gains an automatic berth to a BCS bowl game, preferentially the Rose Bowl
* #2 The Alamo Bowl receives the second choice of Pac-10 teams.
* #3 The Holiday Bowl receives the third choice of Pac-10 teams.
* #4 The Sun Bowl receives the fourth choice of Pac-10 teams.
* #5 The Las Vegas Bowl receives the fifth choice of Pac-10 taams
* #6 The Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl receives the sixth choice of Pac-10 teams.

The Pac-10 might be able to add another bowl tie-in when contracts are up due to being 12 teams. The Big XII will probably lose one.

As far as scheduling goes, you won't play everyone in your conference every year. You'll play the teams in your division every year and then alternate teams from the other division every two years. This being the final year of the Big XII in its current format (Nebraska is moving to the Big 10 at the start of the 2011 season; Colorado has said they're staying until 2012, but that might change since Neb is leaving "early") Iowa State's conference schedule looks like this -- (N) designates a team from the North division, (S) designates a team from the South division:

Sat, Sep 18 Kansas State (N) at Kansas City, Mo.
Sat, Oct 02 Texas Tech (S) Ames, Iowa
Sat, Oct 16 Oklahoma (S) at Norman, Okla.
Sat, Oct 23 Texas (S) at Austin, Texas
Sat, Oct 30 Kansas (N) Ames, Iowa
Sat, Nov 06 Nebraska (N) Ames, Iowa
Sat, Nov 13 Colorado (N) at Boulder, Colo.
Sat, Nov 20 Missouri (N) Ames, Iowa

Next year, if the conference wasn't changing, we'd play the same three teams from the South, but switch locations. Then the year after that we'd play Texas A&M, OkState and Bayor and have a reprieve of Texas, OK and Tech for two years. The Pac-12 might have a slightly different type of schedule, but that's what the Big XII did.

Okay, now that I actually re-read your question, you were asking something completely different. Most likely the schedules will get revamped once the Pac-10(12?) is final. Some non-conference games will be bumped or switched and the conference games will be modified to suit the new divisions/teams.

[VandalSquirrel]

I wish Bronco Junior College would go to the Mountain West in 2010, not 2011. I am so tired of hearing about them and no one likes their smurf turf. I am looking forward to them losing a few games in the future. The rest of us will stay in the WAC getting jobs and running the state.

See ya donkey asses!

[AOEforme]

There was an article in the paper yesterday outlining the possible East and West Conferences the Big 10 would have if they had 12 teams. I'm not a fan. I like the rivalries between our school and Michigan and Ohio State. I'd miss that.

(I never, ever thought I'd say I'd miss Michigan.)

However, it would be nice to not have our season end a week early.

[AznSAE]

the remaining big 12 teams are staying put for now. are they going to add two more teams? if so, who?