Probates! - Page 3

IrishLake · #1 06-02-2010, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

Probate is the name for the procedure the courts use to oversee the administration of the estates of the deceased. It's loads of fun.

HAHA! this made me laugh.

AGDee · #2 06-02-2010, 11:28 PM

It has been so long that I didn't really remember this until reading this thread but we did have a night called Pledge Presentation the day after Bid Night where all the Panhellenic groups got together in the ballroom of the student union and each "pledge"(that's what we were then, so that's the term I will use here) had her name read aloud. Then each sorority sang a few of their sorority songs for the others (as a whole, not just the pledges) and Panhellenic as a whole sang the Greek alphabet song. Funny that I'd forgotten all about it until just now. It was mainly a way to see who went to which chapter. I don't know if they still do that on my old campus or not.

IrishLake · #3 06-02-2010, 11:31 PM

I just watched a bunch of Probate/Coming Outs on youtube... damn impressive!!!!! While I love it, and can appreciate the togetherness those sisters have... I do not think it's something NPC group should try to imitate, I think it would be insulting to the NPHC. But I am WOWED!

DrPhil · #4 06-03-2010, 10:30 AM

HBCUs have a tendency to do that to organizations.

A chapter that is predominantly racial and ethnic minority will tend to operate differently than a chapter that is predominantly white.

The NIC (or were they IFC back then?) fraternities that colonized at HBCUs saw it firsthand. Many of them were students who wanted to be in an NPHC frat trying to change the structure of the NIC fraternity to mirror what they aspired toward--and then some of them eventually joining an NPHC frat if the rules and new member selection allowed them to. I don't recall an NPC chapter ever being chartered at an HBCU.

ree-Xi · #5 06-03-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

HBCUs have a tendency to do that to organizations.

A chapter that is predominantly racial and ethnic minority will tend to operate differently than a chapter that is predominantly white.

The NIC (or were they IFC back then?) fraternities that colonized at HBCUs saw it firsthand. Many of them were students who wanted to be in an NPHC frat trying to change the structure of the NIC fraternity to mirror what they aspired toward--and then some of them eventually joining an NPHC frat if the rules and new member selection allowed them to. I don't recall an NPC chapter ever being chartered at an HBCU.

That makes a lot of sense regarding Gamma Sig. Thank you for the perspective!!

BluPhire · #6 06-03-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

HBCUs have a tendency to do that to organizations.

A chapter that is predominantly racial and ethnic minority will tend to operate differently than a chapter that is predominantly white.

The NIC (or were they IFC back then?) fraternities that colonized at HBCUs saw it firsthand. Many of them were students who wanted to be in an NPHC frat trying to change the structure of the NIC fraternity to mirror what they aspired toward--and then some of them eventually joining an NPHC frat if the rules and new member selection allowed them to. I don't recall an NPC chapter ever being chartered at an HBCU.

Nailed it on the head.

agzg · #7 06-03-2010, 11:22 AM

I don't think it would make sense to do it. Since NPC new members are "public" from the get-go, you'd be doing a probate on day 1.

Senusret I · #8 06-03-2010, 11:24 AM

Not really.

All orgs take on the traditions of their campus. It has little to do with wanting to actually be in an NPHC org.

When APO chartered at Howard, it was the only non-NPHC GLO there. They sat on the Greek council and were expected to do all the same things as everyone else, for consistency and legitimacy.

DrPhil · #9 06-03-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

It has little to do with wanting to actually be in an NPHC org.

It has little to do with that for those who don't want to be in an NPHC org. It has everything to do with that for those who want to be in an NPHC org, as evidenced by what I was specifically referencing.

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Originally Posted by Senusret I

When APO chartered at Howard, it was the only non-NPHC GLO there. They sat on the Greek council and were expected to do all the same things as everyone else, for consistency and legitimacy.

You call it consistency and legitimacy and I call it mirroring the NPHC orgs that largely impacted the campus culture.

Senusret I · #10 06-03-2010, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

It has little to do with that for those who don't want to be in an NPHC org. It has everything to do with that for those who want to be in an NPHC org, as evidenced by what I was specifically referencing.

You call it consistency and legitimacy and I call it mirroring the NPHC orgs that largely impacted the campus culture.

Yes, because I am right.

DrPhil · #11 06-03-2010, 04:55 PM

WOMP WOMP @ this thread

christiangirl · #12 06-04-2010, 12:07 AM

Wait, I'm confused. So what is the difference between a "probate" and a "coming out show?" From the context of this thread, it looks as though probate is a show that happens before initiation (and seems to be something negative). Is that what y'all are saying? Because I've only ever heard the two used interchangeably, no difference at all.

And yes, I Googled before asking but all that came up was a bunch of legal stuff, that Kevin probably put out there just to confuse me.

Though this was good for a laugh--gotta love people going off on usernames: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1103024AAjY9pA

rhoyaltempest · #13 06-04-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by christiangirl

Wait, I'm confused. So what is the difference between a "probate" and a "coming out show?" From the context of this thread, it looks as though probate is a show that happens before initiation (and seems to be something negative). Is that what y'all are saying? Because I've only ever heard the two used interchangeably, no difference at all.

And yes, I Googled before asking but all that came up was a bunch of legal stuff, that Kevin probably put out there just to confuse me.

Though this was good for a laugh--gotta love people going off on usernames: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...1103024AAjY9pA

Some members today use the words "probate" and "Coming out show" or "neo show" interchangeably, however a true probate was an extension (on HBCU campuses and some other campuses) of the NPHC former pledge process. The key word here being "former." Since no one should be pledging these days, true probates should also not occur. A probate is not in itself negative however since pledging is in the past, probating should be also. What you see on youtube are coming out or neo shows although some are still using the word probate and they really shouldn't be. There are similarities between a probate and coming out or neo show but they are not the same.

Drolefille · #14 06-04-2010, 04:33 PM

What I think of everytime I see this thread pop up under New Posts:

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Roger Rabbit: Yeah. Check the probate. Why, my Uncle Thumper had a problem with HIS probate, and he had to take these big pills, and drink lots of water.

Eddie Valiant: Not prostate, you idiot, PROBATE!

preciousjeni · #15 06-03-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Only the chapter members, and others in the know, know whether the people "performing" have been initiated.

K