12 year old to be charged as adult in double homicide

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by damassa

I know. Like I said, they should hang him.

I am not like DaemonSeid. I don't defend murderers based on their skin color. DaemonSeid goes to rallies for a murderer like Mumia because he is black.

I thought he went on those rallies because Mumia was framed.

[Ooh La La]

Originally Posted by insaneclown

Mumia was not framed. Idiots like DaemonSeid think he was framed because they don't know any better. DaemonSeid was probably brainwashed at a young age by his 30 year old grandmother or his Jeremiah Wright type clergyman into believing that all blacks are innocent victims.

The reality is Mumia is a murderer. He was arrested at the scene of the crime. He had the gun. Mumia's gun was the murder weapon. Mumia had a bullet in him from the cop's gun. Mumia's brother was also at the scene and he said Mumia shot the cop. There car was at the scene. Mumia told people at the hospital that he hoped the cop died. There was not anyone else at the scene other than Mumia, his brother and the dead cop.

Excuse me, but guilt has not yet been determined. Even if Mumia did do it, your response is incredibly rude. Threads like this are supposed to encourage RESPECTFUL debate. Responding like this won't get anyone to listen to your opinion. Instead, you'll simply be discounted to a racist loon.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Ooh La La

Excuse me, but guilt has not yet been determined. Even if Mumia did do it, your response is incredibly rude. Threads like this are supposed to encourage RESPECTFUL debate. Responding like this won't get anyone to listen to your opinion. Instead, you'll simply be discounted to a racist loon.

insaneclown = the constantly banned madmax

He logs on to try to be rude and disrespectful. Shame on you for actually reading his posts, let alone responding.

[Ooh La La]

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. Where I live--Virginia, the only time the death penalty may be pursued is when a "capital offense" occurs. There's a very limited list--13 I believe--including killing a pregnant woman, a police officer, a young child, etc. I personally don't like it because to me it says that some lives are more valuable than others.

Pennsylvania does have the death penalty. I take back my previous statement however, that this kid won't be on death row. Pennsylvania doesn't have a minimum age for death row. I believe that once again this only happens with a capital offense, but off the top of my head I do not know what Pennsylvania defines those as.

[DaemonSeid]

yeah...I was referring specifically to PA...not sure if any state has a statute for executions for criminals under 18

[Preston327]

I seem to remember a Supreme Court ruling fixing the minimum age for capital punishment at 18. This may have been Florida Supreme Court though.

[Ooh La La]

I do apologize, I forgot that many states had not updated their laws in accordance with the 2005 ruling in Roper v. Simmons. So while Pennsylvania doesn't specifically cite an age where the death penalty may be used, they still have to abide by federal law.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Ooh La La

I do apologize, I forgot that many states had not updated their laws in accordance with the 2005 ruling in Roper v. Simmons. So while Pennsylvania doesn't specifically cite an age where the death penalty may be used, they still have to abide by federal law.

Ah I wasn't aware of that case. Looking it up now.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by honeychile

The way I heard it on the news is not that he protested his innocence, but feels absolutely no remorse that his father's fiance and the coming baby are dead. He had made many negative remarks to friends that he didn't want a baby in the house.

I don't know the whole story, but that's what I was thinking.

Honestly, I don't think he should be tried as an adult because he does not have the mental capability of an adult. However, even at 11 kids know that a) killing is wrong and b) you apologize when you do wrong. It's been a year and he's still showing no remorse for having taken 2 lives? There's more going on here than just immaturity. Have any psych assessments been done on this kid?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I don't know the whole story, but that's what I was thinking.

Honestly, I don't think he should be tried as an adult because he does not have the mental capability of an adult. However, even at 11 kids know that a) killing is wrong and b) you apologize when you do wrong. It's been a year and he's still showing no remorse for having taken 2 lives? There's more going on here than just immaturity. Have any psych assessments been done on this kid?

Yeah there were. But the thing is, do they have iron clad proof that he actually did it? He might not be showing remorse because he didn't do it.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Yeah there were. But the thing is, do they have iron clad proof that he actually did it? He might not be showing remorse because he didn't do it.

That is what I keep thinking. You can't really feel bad about doing something you didn't do.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Yeah there were. But the thing is, do they have iron clad proof that he actually did it? He might not be showing remorse because he didn't do it.

I thought that for a second, too. But I felt a little naive saying it. If they didn't have the evidence, why would he have been in a facility for the last year? But looking at the justice system, that sounds a little naive, too.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Yeah there were. But the thing is, do they have iron clad proof that he actually did it? He might not be showing remorse because he didn't do it.

They found the shotgun and the shell casings all with his prints.

Prosecutors have suggested the boy was jealous of Houk and her unborn son. Police had said Jordan hid the weapon under a blanket so Houk's 7-year-old daughter wouldn't see it as he entered her mother's room. Later, authorities say, he threw the spent shell casing along a path on his way to a bus and went to school.

A state trooper testified that tests showed the shell was fired from Jordan's youth-model 20-gauge shotgun.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_1...98-504083.html


also see this link

Dr. Paul Friday, a clinical psychologist, says an 11-year-old with access to a gun took what he calls a simple solution to a complex problem.

"In this particular case, I am sure that Jordan saw himself in an impossible situation with no way out because that's what an 11-year-old brain would do," Friday said.

Prosecutors contend that Brown harbored resentment and felt he was treated unfairly when asked to move out of his room before the birth of his half-brother who was going to be named for his father, Christopher.

http://kdka.com/local/Jordan.brown.case.2.1600462.html

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

I don't know the whole story, but that's what I was thinking.

Honestly, I don't think he should be tried as an adult because he does not have the mental capability of an adult. However, even at 11 kids know that a) killing is wrong and b) you apologize when you do wrong. It's been a year and he's still showing no remorse for having taken 2 lives? There's more going on here than just immaturity. Have any psych assessments been done on this kid?

Remorse for what? He's trying to get off, if he shows 'remorse' isn't that a hint at guilt? How would that help his defense?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Prettyface08

Remorse for what? He's trying to get off, if he shows 'remorse' isn't that a hint at guilt? How would that help his defense?

If what I'm gathering is correct, and the real issue is that he demonstrates no sorrow that the father's fiancée and her unborn child are dead rather than feeling no remorse for killing them, then we seem to have a word-usage problem. The media uses the word "remorse," but remorse means sorrow for one's own wrongdoing. You don't feel remorse for something someone else did; you feel sorrow, sadness or the like.

Like you said, he's pleading not guilty -- a right guaranteed him by the Constitution. Why would he be expected to show remorse for something that he says he didn't do and that the government hasn't yet proven in court that he did do?