Sprite Step-Off Update: ZTA and AKA to share 1st place

[knight_shadow]

^^^ I swear this has been said in one of the 324,924,511 Sprite Step Off threads that have popped up.

No one wants to read it, though, because realizing that there COULD have been an error in scoring means reverse racism

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

^^^ I swear this has been said in one of the 324,924,511 Sprite Step Off threads that have popped up.

No one wants to read it, though, because realizing that there COULD have been an error in scoring means reverse racism

^^^
It has been said, over and over again. I just got so tired of hearing, "there were no rules", "the rules weren't clear', "they followed the rules". The relevant rule in question, as well as the entire set of rules are both now in the thread, so hopefully we won't have to hear that portion of the argument again.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

^^^
It has been said, over and over again. I just got so tired of hearing, "there were no rules", "the rules weren't clear', "they followed the rules". The relevant rule in question, as well as the entire set of rules are both now in the thread, so hopefully we won't have to hear that portion of the argument again.

Oh, we'll likely hear it again. You know how folks are.

"I don't care enough about this topic to read about what's going on, but you all need to love each other and stop being racist! Go ZTA! Woooooooooooooo!"

Womp.

[baci]

Amen!^^

Go ZTA!!!

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by als463

Yes, that was a really statement that I made about hoping my sorority attempts to step next year. What a riot! If there would be an NPHC that would be willing to help them do a routine that wouldn't upset anyone or make anyone feel slighted, I think that would be great.

i cannot believe that at this stage you still don't get it. oh well.

Originally Posted by baci

Amen!^^

Go ZTA!!!

eye run kneeeeee..

[Senusret I]

Yes she gets it, she just disagrees with you.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Yes she gets it, she just disagrees with you.

Then she should accept the way some of her cultural traditions have changed since being introduced into American society. Since she doesn't, it leads me to believe she doesn't get it.

[Senusret I]

Why would anybody have to accept something that's wrong? That's stupid.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Why would anybody have to accept something that's wrong? That's stupid.

No, stupid is bitching that places like Taco Bell and "THEY" people celebrating Cinco De Mayo is destroying your culture. I just wanted to point out that it's not just the MExican-American's that have had their cultural practices commercialized.

[Ch2tf]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

No, stupid is bitching that places like Taco Bell and "THEY" people celebrating Cinco De Mayo is destroying your culture. I just wanted to point out that it's not just the MExican-American's that have had their cultural practices commercialized.

Where did she say that it was just the Mexican-Americans that have seen a commercialization/Americanization/cannibalization of their culture. She was responding to a post where the preservation of latino culture was looked upon favorably and she provided an general example of how it wasn't. You took issue because she used the word "they" and assumed by that she meant white people and she clearly replied that the use of "they" didn't solely represent white folk.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Ch2tf

Where did she say that it was just the Mexican-Americans that have seen a commercialization/Americanization/cannibalization of their culture. She was responding to a post where the preservation of latino culture was looked upon favorably and she provided an general example of how it wasn't. You took issue because she used the word "they" and assumed by that she meant white people and she clearly replied that the use of "they" didn't solely represent white folk.

No I took issue because it has happened to ALL cultures here in America, not just the ones THEY consider ethnic. It's not just a black thing or a latino thing, its something that Europeans have faced as well. That needs to be known.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

No I took issue because it has happened to ALL cultures here in America, not just the ones THEY consider ethnic. It's not just a black thing or a latino thing, its something that Europeans have faced as well. That needs to be known.

If this was your only point then you need to read Ignatiev's "How The Irish Became White." What happened to "white" ethnic groups is nothing like what happened to racial and ethnic minority groups.

The following is the background logic behind the commercialization/cannibalization/Americanization of cultures:

It is true that ethnic groups like Italian Americans are considered white and, like you are saying, members who choose to highlight their ethnic identity (instead of completely assimilate into whiteness 100% of the time) are often stereotyped as an "other." The same goes for other white ethnic groups, including extreme representations of Jewish Americans. STILL not the same as what occurred with racial and ethnic minorities because members of white ethnic groups know exactly when to play up or play down their group traits (with exception for those who have to work extra hard to account for physical characteristics). When white privilege and group advantage based on whiteness are at stake, you won't find too much confusion on how to play the "white game." Racial and ethnic minorities (who can't pass for white) never have the ability to assimilate 100% and forego everything that makes them identifiable as an "other."

Everyone is part of a socially constructed racial and ethnic grouping--even "mixed people." The problem is that whiteness is considered mainstream and void of race and ethnicity. This gave whiteness power and "make believe" racial and cultural ambiguity. "I'm white so I can objectively talk about topics without 'race' clouding my perspective" is the same thing as men saying "I'm a man so I can objectively talk about topics without 'gender' clouding my perspective."

[Tippiechick]

Ok, I would really like to understand this. I am not being sarcastic or facetious. I am genuinely wanting some deeper understanding of the whole thing.

Here are the things I think I have learned from this thread. Correct me if I am wrong...

1. Each d9 group has their own steps... For someone else to do the steps, it would be like an ADPi doing a crown handsign instead of a diamond. (Yes, I am aware that handsigns were not originated by NPC groups...) You just wouldn't do it, b/c it's as clear as night and day that the crown just isn't appropriate for an ADPi to use. Because, everyone just knows the crown is a ZTA thing.
So, by ZTA using the steps they were offensive and unoriginal. Correct?

2. Sprite fucked up the judging.

3. ZTA should have made up their own steps and choreography. So, based on the scoring system, the judges should have recognized the unoriginal steps and ZTA should have been dropped down in placement.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by Tippiechick

Ok, I would really like to understand this. I am not being sarcastic or facetious. I am genuinely wanting some deeper understanding of the whole thing.

Here are the things I think I have learned from this thread. Correct me if I am wrong...

1. Each d9 group has their own steps... For someone else to do the steps, it would be like an ADPi doing a crown handsign instead of a diamond. (Yes, I am aware that handsigns were not originated by NPC groups...) You just wouldn't do it, b/c it's as clear as night and day that the crown just isn't appropriate for an ADPi to use. Because, everyone just knows the crown is a ZTA thing.

So, by ZTA using the steps they were offensive and unoriginal. Correct?

2. Sprite fucked up the judging.

3. ZTA should have made up their own steps and choreography. So, based on the scoring system, the judges should have recognized the unoriginal steps and ZTA should have been dropped down in placement.

You are essentially correct.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

You are essentially correct.

Thanks!