Obama's bow to the Saudi King

[starang21]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

Some of you are treating Obama like he is some kind of god.

no one is doing that. those people are just being realistic on this issue in relation to bigger things.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by starang21

no one is doing that. those people are just being realistic on this issue in relation to bigger things.

I should have mentioned that I was speaking in terms of other threads also. It's like an "Obama can do no wrong" mentality. But I know that there are Bush supporters who do the same. That was my point.

[TexasWSP]

If you actually spent time with Bush and talked to him you would realize that he is not an "idiot". Great personality, great storyteller. Can work a room better than anyone.

Carry on.

[honeychile]

Too many people have died so that US citizens wouldn't have to bow to any foreign power. The head bob that both of the Obamas gave to the Queen was appropriate, and not offensive. The bowing to the Saudi King will almost definitely come back to bite the President in the behind.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by honeychile

The bowing to the Saudi King will almost definitely come back to bite the President in the behind.

I doubt it.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by honeychile

The bowing to the Saudi King will almost definitely come back to bite the President in the behind.

How? I feel like if it hasn't now, when will it? 2012?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by honeychile

Too many people have died so that US citizens wouldn't have to bow to any foreign power. The head bob that both of the Obamas gave to the Queen was appropriate, and not offensive. The bowing to the Saudi King will almost definitely come back to bite the President in the behind.

If it does bite him in the ass then its well deserved. A head bob is not a gesture of subservience like a bow is. The King sure as hell didn't return the bow... goes to show how much respect he has for Obama.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Every word a President says is scrutinized. Making a few verbal gaffes does not/and should not qualify someone as an "idiot."

While I don't fall in the "Bush is an idiot" camp (even though I know quite a few idiots who went to Harvard and Yale and can talk up a room like nobody's business), I have to laugh -- hard -- at "a few verbal gaffes." That's like saying a tornado is a little breeze.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

If it does bite him in the ass then its well deserved. A head bob is not a gesture of subservience like a bow is. The King sure as hell didn't return the bow... goes to show how much respect he has for Obama.

Well, I could say that one does bow to royalty, but one does not typically bow to presidents. Americans don't bow to the president, why should anyone else think that doing so is a sign of respect?

But it's pretty obvious this has nothing to do with your feelings about the bow itself and everything to do with your feelings about Obama himself.

Just be honest about that or get over it already.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

While I don't fall in the "Bush is an idiot" camp (even though I know quite a few idiots who went to Harvard and Yale and can talk up a room like nobody's business), I have to laugh -- hard -- at "a few verbal gaffes." That's like saying a tornado is a little breeze.

Haha, yeah I feel ya.

Look, my family, especially my dad, has had a relationship with the Bush family for 25 years. Pretty much all grew out of the oil business. Dad's best friend's father was, literally, one of H.W.'s closest friends. C. Fred Chambers. He contributed heavily to his campaign, along with bigs from Baker Botts, etc. Fred died a while back....we sat with the Bushes and Chambers family in the church. Taken them fishing, co-hosted parties during various campaigns in Texas, etc. etc. Basically, we know them and they know us. Not like we are buddy-buddy....but you get the picture.

People can think he's an idiot all they want. He made some idiotic decisions. Get him in the right setting and you'll see that he really isn't one.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Well, I could say that one does bow to royalty, but one does not typically bow to presidents. Americans don't bow to the president, why should anyone else think that doing so is a sign of respect?

Why didn't he bow to the Emperor of Japan or the Queen then? They are royalty.

But it's pretty obvious this has nothing to do with your feelings about the bow itself and everything to do with your feelings about Obama himself.

With this logic its not okay for anyone who doesn't like Obama to criticize him. If Bush bowed before the King and then lied about it I would be just as outraged, I assure you. I was upset over the hand holding, and that's nowhere near as bad as this (nor did he lie about it/ deny it.)

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

If you actually spent time with Bush and talked to him you would realize that he is not an "idiot". Great personality, great storyteller. Can work a room better than anyone.

Carry on.

No, he just plays one on TV.

[OtterXO]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

If you actually spent time with Bush and talked to him you would realize that he is not an "idiot". Great personality, great storyteller. Can work a room better than anyone.

I don't see how any of those qualities or abilities make him not an idiot. They just make him good with people.

[TexasWSP]

Originally Posted by OtterXO

I don't see how any of those qualities or abilities make him not an idiot. They just make him good with people.

Ummmmm........well in my experience its pretty easy to tell if someone is an idiot when you can talk to them one on one, spend time with them and his family, and listen to him amongst groups of people.

Every word a President says is scrutinized. Making a few verbal gaffes does not/and should not qualify someone as an "idiot."

Idiot =


an utterly foolish or senseless person.
a person of the lowest order in a former classification of mental retardation, having a mental age of less than three years old and an intelligence quotient under 25.   /ˈɪdiət/ Show Spelled Pr


Bush is neither.....and I disagreed with him on countless issues and decisions.

Once again, carry on.

[deepimpact2]

It's sad to see people saying that an American leader shouldn't show respect to leaders of other countries. Perhaps that is why the US is held in such contempt around the world. Perhaps this move by OBama to show some respect is why he has such favor around the world with other leaders.

I think American arrogance is about to be nipped int he bud with this new administration and it is refreshing.

As for Michelle and the Queen...seems like most people conveniently want to ignore the fact that the Queen was the one who initiated the "affectionate moment" when she put her arm around Michelle. Michelle simply responded in kind. Perhaps the real issue in all of this is that there is a group of people who just don't want to accept the fact that the Queen showed this particular First Lady more affection than she has ever really shown any other First Lady or leader. I think it is wonderful, and it is just more proof of how much people really like the Obamas.

I would also like to add that one thing that makes the Obamas so popular is how "real" they are. They know when to stick strictly with protocol and when to add just the right personal touch. Again, this kind of thing is refreshing. Sometimes protocol and tradition should be set aside.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It's sad to see people saying that an American leader shouldn't show respect to leaders of other countries. Perhaps that is why the US is held in such contempt around the world. Perhaps this move by OBama to show some respect is why he has such favor around the world with other leaders.

I think American arrogance is about to be nipped int he bud with this new administration and it is refreshing.

Some of us like the way that America is and don't want their country to be viewed as "equal" to a horrible place like Saudi Arabia.

What has all of this "favor" with world leaders accomplished exactly? He failed to get other countries to pass huge stimulus bills and he failed to get troop commitments to Afghanistan. At least Chavez likes him...