Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

To be clear, I am not doing this to be part of some "mob" mentality against deepimpact2. I am simply stating my disagreement with their statement.

I forgot to add that I appreciate your disclaimer despite the fact that some folks around here had a hissy fit because you wrote that.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I also never answered your previous point, on Congresspeople asking for the President's autograph. The red flag for me is that it just seems unprofessional, given their position. That's obviously a debatable point, but it raises a red flag in my mind, no matter whether they're asking for the autograph of Obama or Bush, Democrat or Republican.

lol

KSigkid, this bothered me too. I am an Obama supporter, but when I saw that, I totally thought that was a little weird. That's never happened to any other president, at least not to my knowledge.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

You realize how unrealistic the bolded part is, right? In other words, you're saying that people who supported Bush have no right to criticize Obama? Your statement seems to be of the same type as those who are saying "Well, Bush was the worst ever, so anything else is good."

It's not unfair for Bush supporters to criticize Obama, any more than it's unfair for Obama supporters to have criticized Bush. That's politics.

ETA: I disagree with a lot of what Bush did, and I can't say I'm his biggest supporter. But if you're going to start talking about fairness, it's unfair to silence a whole group of people because they supported the previous administration.

You're entitled to your opinion on the issues, but it bothers me when you say that people essentially don't have a right to criticize the administration.

I also never answered your previous point, on Congresspeople asking for the President's autograph. The red flag for me is that it just seems unprofessional, given their position. That's obviously a debatable point, but it raises a red flag in my mind, no matter whether they're asking for the autograph of Obama or Bush, Democrat or Republican.

My response did not say that people can't criticize Obama EVER. My response said that people need to be fair and give him time before saying he's not doing a good job. It's really too early to discern something like that.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My response did not say that people can't criticize Obama EVER. My response said that people need to be fair and give him time before saying he's not doing a good job. It's really too early to discern something like that.

Since the results of economic policies won't be known for years, and possibly decades (and may or may not even have an effect, depending on your view of cyclical economic trends), clearly we should not criticize until thirty to forty years after a President has left office, right?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I hope you're kidding when you say this because this is kind of ridiculous.

Bush didn't get as much criticism and blame as he deserved to get for his policies and decisions while he was in office.

I think people really need to just give Obama and this new administration time to fix the mess that was created. While I definitely believe God put him in office, I realize that this kind of thing won't be fixed overnight. And I think people also need to realize that this administration isn't perfect. Mistakes will be made. However, it is extremely unfair for people to be so judgmental about this administration when those same people tolerated an administration that basically stomped all over the constitutional rights of people in this country.

Where do you live that you saw wide acceptance of Bush's policies?

What constitutionally granted rights of people in this country do you feel were stomped on? I'd prefer that you answered specifically rather than just "Patriot Act." It's gotten to be anti-Bush boilerplate language but what specifically grinds your gears?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Where do you live that you saw wide acceptance of Bush's policies?

What constitutionally granted rights of people in this country do you feel were stomped on? I'd prefer that you answered specifically rather than just "Patriot Act." It's gotten to be anti-Bush boilerplate language but what specifically grinds your gears?

Believe it or not I saw acceptance of the Bush policies because people looked at it like this...they felt he was doing what was necessary to combat those big, bad evil terrorists. And then you have people who support the president just because he's the president.

With respect to your question about the constitutional issues, information about that has been revealed. i thought everyone knew about that.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Believe it or not I saw acceptance of the Bush policies because people looked at it like this...they felt he was doing what was necessary to combat those big, bad evil terrorists. And then you have people who support the president just because he's the president.

With respect to your question about the constitutional issues, information about that has been revealed. i thought everyone knew about that.

I guess honestly, I don't really believe that you do know much about that. I want you to name the issues that actually upset you, rather than just going with language that you've heard thrown around before.

I'd especially like it if you'd list these issues without googling.

It's not that I don't think Bush did shady, perhaps unconstitutional stuff; it's that I suspect a lot of people who complain about it couldn't actually discuss what was unconstitutional about it.

ETA: I'm not suggesting that whether you can list stuff or not makes Bush a better President. I just think, by most people's standards and understanding, the language gets really overused.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I guess honestly, I don't really believe that you do know much about that. I want you to name the issues that actually upset you, rather than just going with language that you've heard thrown around before.

I'd especially like it if you'd list these issues without googling.

It's not that I don't think Bush did shady, perhaps unconstitutional stuff; it's that I suspect a lot of people who complain about it couldn't actually discuss what was unconstitutional about it.

ETA: I'm not suggesting that whether you can list stuff or not makes Bush a better President. I just think, by most people's standards and understanding, the language gets really overused.

lol The sad part is that you are probably serious...