oh DAYUM!!! Bush almost got clocked by a SHOE

[KSig RC]

Seid, dude, why do you pull out "proof points" that are demonstrably false? You clearly have the Internet, you could check the facts yourself, man, and it would ease board frustration like angry sex or yoga or something.

For example, even if we say it's cool to go with "lynched" with regard to Saddam Hussein (terrible choice of words, by the way), and you want to dispute the stated WMD rationale for entering Iraq, his death was purely a result of his own actions, as he is the most recent person on Earth to use chemical and biological weapons on humans (unarmed ones at that).

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Seid, dude, why do you pull out "proof points" that are demonstrably false? You clearly have the Internet, you could check the facts yourself, man, and it would ease board frustration like angry sex or yoga or something.

For example, even if we say it's cool to go with "lynched" with regard to Saddam Hussein (terrible choice of words, by the way), and you want to dispute the stated WMD rationale for entering Iraq, his death was purely a result of his own actions, as he is the most recent person on Earth to use chemical and biological weapons on humans (unarmed ones at that).

I went with the lynched term for a reason...trust, I knew what I was saying.

Regardless if we have the net or not, it doesn't make whatever point we are trying to prove 'true" am I correct?

I can post just as many links to support my argument just as easily as you can post the same amount to dispute it.

I really didn't bother because I didn't want to go down that road and be sidetracked on that topic (which could be and already has been clearly another thread) the main point we were supposed to be discussing before my 'deeper darker and even more obnoxious mirror image' derailed it was trying to get a grasp on the whole shoe throwing incident.

If we want to talk about the rationale behind the war, then let's dig that thread up and go there.

I don't want to discuss that here.

Thank you sir for bringing that up tho.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Regardless if we have the net or not, it doesn't make whatever point we are trying to prove 'true" am I correct?

It doesn't matter if the points you make are true? I mean . . . it does.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I can post just as many links to support my argument just as easily as you can post the same amount to dispute it.

No, you can't - you can't dispute a historical fact, only its interpretation, and I'll eat human poop if you can find anyone other than Chemical Ali himself who disputes that chemical weapons were used against Kurds under Hussein's rule.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I don't want to discuss that here.

You don't want to discuss facts here? OK, I mean, fine?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

It doesn't matter if the points you make are true? I mean . . . it does.



No, you can't - you can't dispute a historical fact, only its interpretation, and I'll eat human poop if you can find anyone other than Chemical Ali himself who disputes that chemical weapons were used against Kurds under Hussein's rule.



You don't want to discuss facts here? OK, I mean, fine?

To clarify, I don't want to sidetrack and discuss (facts, opinions and conjecture) the Iraq war in this thread.

If that is ok with you.

And trust me we can agree on the whole chemical war thing but...just, not here.

[agzg]

Alert: This thread has gone from alert level 3: Train Wreck to alert level 5: Down the Shitter.

All posters please proceed with caution.

[agzg]

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

He was actually amused by it.

here you are:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BushL...6460837&page=1

[DaemonSeid]

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

An excerpt:

The hurling of shoes at Bush on his last visit to Iraq as president made an ironic bookend to one of the first images after the 2003 U.S. invasion, when Iraqi opponents of deposed leader Saddam Hussein toppled one of his statues in Baghdad and hit it with their shoes.

Zeidi attained instant hero status around the Arab world. At one Baghdad elementary school, a geography teacher asked her students if they had seen the footage of the shoe-throwing, then told them, "All Iraqis should be proud of this Iraqi brave man, Muntadhar. History will remember him forever."

In Baghdad's Shiite slum of Sadr City, thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr burned American flags in protest of Bush and called for the release of Zeidi, a 28-year-old Shiite who works for the private Iraqi TV station Al-Baghdadia.

What made Zeidi's defiance particularly resonant for many was their anger at autocratic Arab leaders whom they have considered slavish followers of Bush's policies in the Middle East.



Abdel-Sattar Qassem, a Palestinian political-science professor at the West Bank's An Najah University, wrote in an online commentary: "Bush wanted to end his bloody term hearing compliments and welcoming words from his collaborators in the Arab and Islamic world. But a shoe from a real Arab man summed up Bush's black history and told the entire world that the Arabs hold their head high."

The Iraq war is the most prominent cause of Arab resentment of Bush. Even many who were outraged at Shiite and Sunni militant groups for the killing of civilians and sectarian strife that tore the country apart ultimately blamed Bush for unleashing the chaos. Some accuse his administration of fueling Shiite-Sunni tensions across the region.

More broadly, nearly every U.S. policy in the region became seen as part of a campaign to divide or subjugate Muslim nations, from Iran and Syria to Sudan and Somalia.

The Bush administration's "war on terror" was seen as a war on Muslims and Arabs in general, an image fueled by civilian deaths in Afghanistan and, in particular, the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo.

Bush was seen as heavily favoring Israel over the Palestinians. His administration's campaign to isolate the Palestinian militant group Hamas translated to the Arab public as an attempt to starve Palestinians in Hamas-ruled Gaza.


http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...lysis1216.html

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by ufpika

And you support this shoe throwing, along with thousands of supporters of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr that burned American flags in protest of Bush.

Damn dude, you keep good company.

Yes.



Our sitting president?

Don't support him, didn't vote for him neither time.

I think he is the WORST we have ever had in recent history.

Messed up economy

People out of work

heathcare in shambles

Education system producing dumb assed kids

and I haven't even GOTTEN to the war.

He and his admin I believe are responsible for mostly why we are in the mess that we are in now worldwide and since this year started I could not wait for 1/20/2009, regardless of whoever was voted for.

And the tip of the iceberg?

To make you go nuts?

The guy that threw the shoe?

.....more power to him.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Did anyone else notice that Bush looked slightly amused after dodging the first shoe?

Yes and he smirked. I probably would've had the same reaction. I may not have been so quick on my feet to dodge them, though.

[agzg]

Actually on the education side, No Child Left Behind actually hurt elementary schools that were doing well beforehand.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Actually on the education side, No Child Left Behind actually hurt elementary schools that were doing well beforehand.

Exactly

and in case some of us havent been paying attention:

- Drs have begun scaling back their practices because they cannot afford the liability costs or the rising insurance costs..this has been happening since 2004

- Some of US can't afford to go due to rising premiums

- Medicare has been a mess for years even with the reforms

- Wonder why you see so many homeless people? Check the mental institutions where some of those folks should have been. When insurance runs out or can't afford to prolong their care,there is no place to put them BUT out on the streets.

(whole 'nother thread...believe me!)


We may have the 'best' healthcare in the world but many of us can't afford it on BOTH sides...patients and providers.

[SydneyK]

We get it, DS. You don't like Bush. And because you don't like him, you think it's acceptable for him to be assaulted. You're not going to change anyone's opinion regarding whether or not it's ok to assault a U.S. President by pointing out Bush's shortcomings. You approve of assaults on the POTUS, and most of the rest of us don't. Just leave it at that.

(Go on, get in the last word. You know you want to.)

[ufpika]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

We get it, DS. You don't like Bush. And because you don't like him, you think it's acceptable for him to be assaulted. You're not going to change anyone's opinion regarding whether or not it's ok to assault a U.S. President by pointing out Bush's shortcomings. You approve of assaults on the POTUS, and most of the rest of us don't. Just leave it at that.

(Go on, get in the last word. You know you want to.)

I agree. I hope it didn't come off like I am the biggest Bush supporter on earth, I just support the the POTUS (unless it can be factually proven that he is no longer worthy of that support).