3 in 10 Americans Admit to Race Bias

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

NEWS FLASH: 70% OF AMERICANS LIE.

So are you, or this comment, in the 70% or 30%

[starang21]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

NEWS FLASH: 70% OF AMERICANS LIE.

^^^^^ says that 100 percent of americans have racial bias.

LOL

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by starang21

^^^^^ says that 100 percent of americans have racial bias.

LOL

You disagree?

Remember, "bias" can simply be a limited prejudgment (like "I assume all black guys I meet are better than me at basketball"), something more insidious, or something overtly racist.

It can even be "I trust people of my own race more than others" - something that is actually quite natural.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

You disagree?

Remember, "bias" can simply be a limited prejudgment (like "I assume all black guys I meet are better than me at basketball"), something more insidious, or something overtly racist.

I agree with your general assertion however "racial bias" is a weighted phrase.

A less loaded way of conveying the point is that 100% of humans subconsciously and consciously have preconceived notions, stereotype, and have biases that coincide with whatever categorical distinctions there are in their culture.

As an aside: Stereotypes and prejudgments like "Asians are smarter" and "blacks can dance" aren't positive and harmless, although people assume them to be.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

It can even be "I trust people of my own race more than others" - something that is actually quite natural.

There have been no studies that have found that this is natural.

The tendency to trust those who look like you and/or those who you are used to being around isn't necessarily the same as trusting people of your "own race." Either way, this is very much about socialization, especially since "race" is a social construct that doesn't exist in every society and culture.

Technically, it is only natural for humans to feel most comfortable around other humans. Categorical distinctions like race, gender, and social class are created and aren't "natural."

But people shouldn't reduce the importance of these kinds of findings by saying "everyone does it." because biases range in extent and in the ability for a bias to translate into behavior. I don't care about people's biases because I don't care what's going on in people's heads. What I care about is outward manifestations in terms of individual and institutional level exclusion and unfair treatment. And that doesn't happen equally because not everyone has the power and opportunity to exclude people from public office, jobs, and so forth. Folks can think whatever they want to, just don't try to impact my life chances based on your opinions.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

"Asians are smarter"

i thought this was true

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I agree with your general assertion however "racial bias" is a weighted phrase.

A less loaded way of conveying the point is that 100% of humans subconsciously and consciously have preconceived notions, stereotype, and have biases that coincide with whatever categorical distinctions there are in their culture.

As an aside: Stereotypes and prejudgments like "Asians are smarter" and "blacks can dance" aren't positive and harmless, although people assume them to be.

Agreed completely, and mostly my point - we've strayed from the real meaning of "bias" to the point where apparently we now think it's "overt prejudice or racism." Especially to the aside - there are dozens of examples in that light.

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There have been no studies that have found that this is natural.

The tendency to trust those who look like you and/or those who you are used to being around isn't necessarily the same as trusting people of your "own race." Either way, this is very much about socialization, especially since "race" is a social construct that doesn't exist in every society and culture.

Technically, it is only natural for humans to feel most comfortable around other humans. Categorical distinctions like race, gender, and social class are created and aren't "natural."

But people shouldn't reduce the importance of these kinds of findings by saying "everyone does it." because biases range in extent and in the ability for a bias to translate into behavior. I don't care about people's biases because I don't care what's going on in people's heads. What I care about is outward manifestations in terms of individual and institutional level exclusion and unfair treatment. And that doesn't happen equally because not everyone has the power and opportunity to exclude people from public office, jobs, and so forth. Folks can think whatever they want to, just don't try to impact my life chances based on your opinions.

"Natural" was a poor choice of words - you're correct - where "quite likely" or even "common" would work best.

Psychological decision making studies have shown that people can only successfully account for their own racial biases and prejudices when they are forced to actually consider and account for them as part of the decision process - that is, when people are told they should account, they largely do. When left to their own devices, they do not.

The "everyone does it" mentality is NOT what I'm pushing - rather, the fact that only 30% come to the fore means that we're either being too hard-line in defining bias (allowing subtle yet pernicious things to "fall through the cracks," which leads to a plateau effect of improvement but not total eradication of racial issues), or people are not yet facing up to their own biases in the way necessary to account for (if not confront) them.

[starang21]

oh yea, brains are sexy.

[DSTCHAOS]

wait...deja vu?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

wait...deja vu?

oh yea, i'm waiting on FB.

[DSTCHAOS]

Thanks for clarifying.

[nate2512]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/images/Pol...ndPolitics.pdf

37. Generally speaking, do you think race relations in the United States are
excellent, good, not so good or poor?
--- Positive --- ----- Negative ---
NET Ex. Good NET Not good Poor No opinion
6/15/08 All 51 4 47 47 36 12 1
Whites53 3 50 46 36 10 1
Blacks 36 4 32 63 43 20 1