Student voted out of classroom!!!

And the saga continues...this time in Oregon!

VIDEO: Teacher duct tapes boy to his chair

[epchick]

Originally Posted by OTW

And the saga continues...this time in Oregon!

VIDEO: Teacher duct tapes boy to his chair

AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ok, so its not really that funny, but it reminds me of my High school. My English teacher (junior year) used to tape us to the desk if he saw us asleep on the desk (you know where you have your head on teh desk and everything). So when the person woke up, they weren't able to lift themselves up! Oh man, it was always hilarious to see someone being taped the desk, we even have several pictures of it in our senior yearbook!! lol

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by OTW

And the saga continues...this time in Oregon!

VIDEO: Teacher duct tapes boy to his chair

As long as a teacher didn't put tape on my child's skin, I don't believe I'd have problem with this happening. My parents used to tie my brother to his chair when we'd eat because he was so hyper he couldn't sit still (and this was before the mass influx of prescription medications for little ones).

[Senusret I]

I've taught.....and I can honestly sympathize and agree with Kitso while still respecting ASUADPi's stance.

Long story short..... the PRIM don't always work. (Pre Referral Intervention Manual)

And as someone who hopes to be a parent one day, I shudder when I think about my child being expected to help other students. There's a difference between collaborative learning and burdening a special needs child's classmates.

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

And as someone who hopes to be a parent one day, I shudder when I think about my child being expected to help other students. There's a difference between collaborative learning and burdening a special needs child's classmates.

Honestly, when you have kids, don't send them to public schools then. They will be expected to work together (whether it is with a special needs child or a student they don't particularly like). I am teaching these children that people are different, that it is a fact of life and that they have to work together. There is a big difference between having the kids rotate who works with the special needs student and having one person always work with that child.

I can say that the only time I have had to seperate a sped child away from another student it had nothing to do with his disability or his abilities, it was because their personalities didn't mesh and the sped child was violent (due to his dislike) to the other child (when I say violent I mean he would deliberately hit this child). I obviously couldn't have that happening in the room, so they were completely seperated in the room and in line. Once they were seperated from each other, my class ran fine and was smooth.

I know for myself and in my classroom, the students rotated on who they worked with. I was constantly changing groups. I didn't want them to become complacent in one group and think they didn't have to do anything. Plus, I would mix up the ability levels (like I wouldn't put all the sped kiddos in one group and all my gifted in another). Yes, some children would work with my sped kiddos a bit more, but I would ask them "hey do you mind working with this child" and they would say yes. Mainly because these two little girls really liked to be the "center of attention", which working with one of the sped kiddos and having to explain the assignment in child like terms and kind of being the "boss" something that gave them an ego boost. (They probably didn't think I knew this but I did).

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Honestly, when you have kids, don't send them to public schools then. They will be expected to work together (whether it is with a special needs child or a student they don't particularly like). I am teaching these children that people are different, that it is a fact of life and that they have to work together. There is a big difference between having the kids rotate who works with the special needs student and having one person always work with that child.

I can say that the only time I have had to seperate a sped child away from another student it had nothing to do with his disability or his abilities, it was because their personalities didn't mesh and the sped child was violent (due to his dislike) to the other child (when I say violent I mean he would deliberately hit this child). I obviously couldn't have that happening in the room, so they were completely seperated in the room and in line. Once they were seperated from each other, my class ran fine and was smooth.

I know for myself and in my classroom, the students rotated on who they worked with. I was constantly changing groups. I didn't want them to become complacent in one group and think they didn't have to do anything. Plus, I would mix up the ability levels (like I wouldn't put all the sped kiddos in one group and all my gifted in another). Yes, some children would work with my sped kiddos a bit more, but I would ask them "hey do you mind working with this child" and they would say yes. Mainly because these two little girls really liked to be the "center of attention", which working with one of the sped kiddos and having to explain the assignment in child like terms and kind of being the "boss" something that gave them an ego boost. (They probably didn't think I knew this but I did).

Here's to you then, super teacher.

Seriously though, that's awesome that you have a SPED cert, spent 2 years as a resource teacher and then are going to fly in here and be judgemental on a guy like me. As a first year teacher, I get handed the kids mods and had our SPED coordinator essentially tell me, "Good Luck".

To be honest, I've tried the group thing, I put him into a lot of different groups, rotated them throughout the fall semester. The common theme? He was a drain on each group of kids I put him with (He didn't bounce from group to group, I reassigned them each time). His group members had to go above and beyond the amount of work the rest of the students did, to make up for his part. That's not fair to them.

And do I expect all my kids to be normal? No I don't. I understand some kids will be slower than others, or have trouble with certain assignments. Hell, I teach at a school that's 60% Hispanic and has numerous LEP/ESL kids, and I seem to do fine by them.

Kitso
KS 361

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by wreckingcrew

Here's to you then, super teacher.

His group members had to go above and beyond the amount of work the rest of the students did, to make up for his part. That's not fair to them.

1) lol

2) That's really what I was trying to get at.

[MysticCat]

Interesting reading the last few posts. As I've said, my kid is the Asperger's/ADHD kid, and I'm amazed (and pleased) at how often his teacher picks asks him to work with and help other students. He's becaome the acknowledged computer expert in the class, and he seems more than willing to help other kids with computer issues. Helps the other kids learn about computers and helps him learn to work with others and interact with others in a setting that's comfortable to him.

As his parent, though, I can readily say that I wouldn't be real happy about it if I thought other kids were having to go above and beyond to make up for him. That's not fair to anyone involved.

Granted, my son presents a relatively "mild case." I think most people interacting with him wouldn't immediately peg him as special needs -- at most they might note that he's a little "odd" and hard to figure out. So for him, mainstreaming works well, while being seperated from the "normal" kids would be a disaster. Like I said, I think the question of what classroom setting is best for a kid on the spectrum has to be decided on a case-by-case basis -- there is no one right answer.

And I know what some of you mean about public schools. Rashid, I wouldn't send kids to DC public schools either if I could help it. But I have to say, our experience with public schools and an Asperger's kid has been fantastic.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

I know for myself and in my classroom, the students rotated on who they worked with. I was constantly changing groups. I didn't want them to become complacent in one group and think they didn't have to do anything. Plus, I would mix up the ability levels (like I wouldn't put all the sped kiddos in one group and all my gifted in another). Yes, some children would work with my sped kiddos a bit more, but I would ask them "hey do you mind working with this child" and they would say yes. Mainly because these two little girls really liked to be the "center of attention", which working with one of the sped kiddos and having to explain the assignment in child like terms and kind of being the "boss" something that gave them an ego boost. (They probably didn't think I knew this but I did).

This is fine and well, but I have to echo Kitso and Rashid here - there is a fine line between allowing children to interact and "help" each other, and putting the teaching onus on the "smart kids" to pull up the kids who aren't gifted or good in that area. Granted, some kids likely learn best through teaching it to others, but this is far from universal, and it doesn't seem like this puts the gifted kids in the best position to excel.

This is, coincidentally, why I strongly support partial separation programs for both gifted students and special needs students. Interaction is a necessary and important part of socialization and "growing up" - however, targeted and focused programs can have immense utility for these kids.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Rashid, I wouldn't send kids to DC public schools either if I could help it.

Thank you for understanding my context!

Originally Posted by KSig RC

This is, coincidentally, why I strongly support partial separation programs for both gifted students and special needs students. Interaction is a necessary and important part of socialization and "growing up" - however, targeted and focused programs can have immense utility for these kids.

I benefited from partial separation as a gifted student in 5th and 6th grades. (Side note: the librarian was also the "gifted" student teacher and is the granddaughter of an Alpha founder!)

I suffered from full separation in 2nd grade. Hated every minute of it. All the "smart" kids were in one class and the pressure was intense.

[Senusret I]

Again, I have been a teacher.

Working together is not the same as helping. Your first post said helping, which is what I was referring to.

And no, my children will not attend public schools if I can help it.

[ZTAMich]

I'm the gen ed teacher for an ASD inclusion class. 2 kids on the spectrum and 13 general ed 1st grade Bronx kids, 2 have IEPs for their own learning delays. Peachy fun!

From just the basic training I got last summer so I could teach in this program I know not to do what this teacher did, which leads me to believe she needs a little education herself. BUT I've been I think at a point where she may have been that day - just at your wits end and not sure what to do next. Certainly that doesn't make her behavior ok, but I do have some sympathy for her as a fellow educator.