Fraternity Rush at Kansas

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's almost like you're wrong, Kedzman.

No way, he can't be wrong, he's too smart to be wrong, and Sigma Nu Nationals said so!

[magichat]

Ummmm, 2.9 blows, my chapter is full of people who don't go to class and stay out acting like degenerates till all hours of the morning and still manages to have a waay better GPA...and I am not at some shit directional school in the middle of some flyover state.

As far as following the party line of nationals, to each his own, but to say that we all joined a SOCIAL fraternity for the wrong reasons because we wanted to do SOCIAL things is retarded. In fact, in the original minutes of my fraternity's first few meetings, one of the founders was recorded requesting cigars and brandy to be purchased out of the budget...and thats the only thing we have documentation of him saying at a meeting...ever.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=90893788

Way to brag about your chapter's 2.9 gpa on your Myspace. I figured with the way you talked it would be higher than that, my chapter is probably around a 2.9 and we actually have cool kids (weird huh?)

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[CrackerBarrel]

Originally Posted by nate2512

deleted already.

Come on Kedzman, be a sport. It's not like getting outed is going to limit you to lower-tier, boring houses during rush. You apparently did that on your own.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Come on Kedzman, be a sport. It's not like getting outed is going to limit you to lower-tier, boring houses during rush. You apparently did that on your own.

Proves his embarrassment.

[nittanyalum]

Man, you guys are really missing FH, aren't you?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Man, you guys are really missing FH, aren't you?

Most have Old Row still...but I quit Old Row a year ago or so, so I have nowhere to e-frat but GreekChat.

Bringing up a GDISpace in a thread is classic OR/FH stuff. CB's comment about cokehead fraternities making better grades on two hours of sleep was epic.

[62231]

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

It's almost like you're wrong, Kedzman.

It would seem that way...

[TechSigmaNu]

Kedzman, I have talked to HQ alot this past year and to be honest they have alot of great advice and knowledge to help out chapters. But I believe that the other Greekchatters present a valid argument as well. Every school is different and I think that saying that one approach works for every university is a stretch. And that also goes with people, you cannot tell a person that non-hazing works for everyone, we all grow up in different lives and maybe hazing works for others. I believe someone said in an earlier comment that the army hazes, and you know it works for them to pump out fighting machines. But all in all I think that life does not have a certain equation for every situation otherwise it would be boring. And also my favorite saying is ALMOST everything in moderation, but for me personally moderation for drugs and hazing is zero usage, and a note to leave on is, I think that we can all learn a little bit from each other and if you cannot learn to see from another person's point of view then you are just ignorant.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Man, you guys are really missing FH, aren't you?

I love whoever hacked it, that site was a bunch of douchebags who try way too hard.

[srmom]

Yep, formal recruitment is in June for the boys. I guess the idea behind this is that new members will know which house (if any) they'll be in early on. That way they have time to cancel a contract with the dorms when they get a bid or find housing if recruitment didn't work out.

Oh, I get that. Seems like this would be a bummer for guys who are coming from out of state and don't know or are not able to make the events. But, like you said, the guys are better about informal rush, so I guess they can get picked up by houses in the fall.

[BigRedBeta]

Quota is a bunch of BS.

While I understand the reasoning behind it (not that I agree with it), it ends up doing the opposite of what it is intended to do. If you're trying to make all the houses relatively the same size, then put methods in place that do it. As it stands, at schools in which you're allowed to go over total to make quota, the big houses continue to get bigger, and the small houses remain forever small.

There are campuses - Nebraska for sure, I bet there are others - in which you can't go over total no matter what. Each house then has a different "quota", and the top houses are the ones that do the best job of keeping their members involved for all 4 years. They are rewarded with smaller classes which are more exclusive and filled with a much higher percentage of their most highly ranked girls. The houses that can't keep their members involved however still have the chance to start each year at total though, because they can take as many girls as they need to reach that point.

Basically, if you're going to intervene, make sure your intervention works. The way quota works at most schools, it's a completely flawed system.

All that said, I much prefer the fraternity method of not giving a rat's ass about keeping everyone the same size. There's no artificial manipulation of the chapter's rush efforts. Your house puts in the work (both during the school year and during rush) and gets the right guys in the forefront of rush as rush chairs, you'll be able to pick and choose the number and quality of rushees you want.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by BigRedBeta

Quota is a bunch of BS.

While I understand the reasoning behind it (not that I agree with it), it ends up doing the opposite of what it is intended to do. If you're trying to make all the houses relatively the same size, then put methods in place that do it. As it stands, at schools in which you're allowed to go over total to make quota, the big houses continue to get bigger, and the small houses remain forever small.

It's not the system that is flawed - it's the PNMs who refuse to consider anything other than the top 2/3/4 houses, and the people who talk shit about the smaller groups (often for no reason other than they are small) and make girls think "I guess I'd rather be nothing than be this." Oh, and it's also the national offices that award making quota after 4 days of rush, rather than awards for retaining members throughout their college career.

If quota/total wasn't made out to be such a big deal, it would work a hell of a lot better.

[sarahsmilehawk]

Well I talked to a fraternity guy at KU who said his house had a quota. The way he described it, it sounded like the quota only applied to that specific house and the other houses had different quotas. So maybe you're kinda right.

It's not like sororities necessarily love quota either... I'd rather take a smaller group than bid a bunch of people who don't fit in for whatever reason and will likely drop anyway.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by sarahsmilehawk

Well I talked to a fraternity guy at KU who said his house had a quota. The way he described it, it sounded like the quota only applied to that specific house and the other houses had different quotas. So maybe you're kinda right.

It's not like sororities necessarily love quota either... I'd rather take a smaller group than bid a bunch of people who don't fit in for whatever reason and will likely drop anyway.

I should thought before I spoke, I totally forgot about one major key component of quotas. The fraternity quota are in essence, rush goals, they aren't binding at all, but bigger fraternities, such as those at SEC institutions have no problems with this, they are solid chapters and HQ won't push them very hard. Where quotas begin to come into play in the fraternal division, is when you have under-performing chapters at universities not really produce a very good Greek Life, the pressure mounts immensely for these group to get the unrealistic numbers their nationals has placed on them.