Our SDSU chapter, Zeta Pi Zeta....

[GammaZeta]

What I don't think most older LXA's realize is that drugs are much more present in our chapters than some care to admit.

Some chapters hide it better, some don't. However, drugs are still there.

And it's not just a LXA thing, or a college thing, it is the COMPLETE college environment.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

What I don't think most older LXA's realize is that drugs are much more present in our chapters than some care to admit.

Some chapters hide it better, some don't. However, drugs are still there.

And it's not just a LXA thing, or a college thing, it is the COMPLETE college environment.

While your statement or assumption may be true, I think LXAGrits spelled it out to the Nth degree. That is the stand of LXA and IHQ.

Fight and discuss it as you may want to, it has been explained.

I am not saying it doesn't happen as you said but it is not needed in our housings.

We had a member some years back who was smoking grass in the house and he was expulled. Remember that word, expulled?

At your maturing age, you can do as you please but it still doesn't make it proper in our house situations.

[LXAAlum]

Regardless of what "really" happened, I can say with a degree of certainty that the SDSU chapter will be closed.

It's not so much the allegations that may be either true OR false. It's not so much that it's a recently reconstituted chapter. It's not so much that they were "stand up" guys. It's not so much they may or may not have used/dealt drugs.

It's that they will go the way of Colorado State University (Gamma Pi) - they made headlines, pure and simple.

Headlines that are bad publicity for the fraternity are simply not tolerated. CSU was NEVER found "guilty" of the charges that were broadcast in the press, but, since it made it to the press, it was over.

SDSU will suffer the same fate.

Bummer, but it's reality.

[Tom Earp]

[QUOTE=LXAAlum;1651500]Regardless of what "really" happened, I can say with a degree of certainty that the SDSU chapter will be closed.

It's not so much the allegations that may be either true OR false. It's not so much that it's a recently reconstituted chapter. It's not so much that they were "stand up" guys. It's not so much they may or may not have used/dealt drugs.

It's that they will go the way of Colorado State University (Gamma Pi) - they made headlines, pure and simple.

Headlines that are bad publicity for the fraternity are simply not tolerated. CSU was NEVER found "guilty" of the charges that were broadcast in the press, but, since it made it to the press, it was over.

SDSU will suffer the same fate.



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And you my dear friend hope you are wrong!

If say one-three were involved and none of the others were aware of it, then why punish the rest who are good and hard working Brothers!


The Zeta there seems overly all to be doing a great job.

I am getting tired of blaming the whole Brotherhood for a few transgressions.

[GammaZeta]

So now we let the media decide how to run our fraternity?

[LXA grits]

I dissagree with LXAAlum...

While the fate of the chapter might result in its closure...I don't think it would be closed on the basis of "they made headlines." I trust the judgment of our brothers in the "deciding positions" better than to make a call about our bond based off of media attention. Again, I will say what I posted earlier about what I'm sure will ring true:

"If the decision comes down to our Office of Administration or a Status of Chapters Committee during this summer’s General Assembly…then I’m sure our brothers will do what’s in the best interest of the experience shared by the members of this fraternity."


Again, that might mean the chapter gets shut down, or it might bean one member goes on social probation...I don't know the particulars. But, the goal still remains to ensure the success of the Lambda Chi Alpha organization and the ideals we uphold. I have NO DOUBT that HQ, the GHZ, or whatever entity will move forward with that in mind. No doubt at all.

Of course, the negative light that is cast upon our chapter there, and upon our international organization, might open the doors to more consideration about how we are percieved. If we are known on that campus as 50 drug-dealers operating out of a meth-lab (even if it's not 100% true)....then, that's going to affect recruitment, philanthropy, social stigma, and the relationship with the university. Then, the decision to close the chapter and wait for a more inviting environment to operate our Zeta there, might be more appropriate. Again, we aren't in the position of "deciding this case", so we can't say. If you do want to have that official voice, go to General Assembly and try to gain the alumni speaking opportunities. Active members, maybe you'll play a part in the decision...so I''d encourage you to brush up on your Constitution knowledge. Myself...I'm saving up $$$ for the Centennial!

Yours in Z A X ,

[LXAAlum]

Originally Posted by LXA grits

I dissagree with LXAAlum...

While the fate of the chapter might result in its closure...I don't think it would be closed on the basis of "they made headlines." I trust the judgment of our brothers in the "deciding positions" better than to make a call about our bond based off of media attention. Again, I will say what I posted earlier about what I'm sure will ring true:

"If the decision comes down to our Office of Administration or a Status of Chapters Committee during this summer’s General Assembly…then I’m sure our brothers will do what’s in the best interest of the experience shared by the members of this fraternity."


Again, that might mean the chapter gets shut down, or it might bean one member goes on social probation...I don't know the particulars. But, the goal still remains to ensure the success of the Lambda Chi Alpha organization and the ideals we uphold. I have NO DOUBT that HQ, the GHZ, or whatever entity will move forward with that in mind. No doubt at all.

Of course, the negative light that is cast upon our chapter there, and upon our international organization, might open the doors to more consideration about how we are percieved. If we are known on that campus as 50 drug-dealers operating out of a meth-lab (even if it's not 100% true)....then, that's going to affect recruitment, philanthropy, social stigma, and the relationship with the university. Then, the decision to close the chapter and wait for a more inviting environment to operate our Zeta there, might be more appropriate. Again, we aren't in the position of "deciding this case", so we can't say. If you do want to have that official voice, go to General Assembly and try to gain the alumni speaking opportunities. Active members, maybe you'll play a part in the decision...so I''d encourage you to brush up on your Constitution knowledge. Myself...I'm saving up $$$ for the Centennial!

Yours in Z A X ,

Grits, while I hope I am wrong, past experiences with chapters in trouble have shown me that IHQ sometimes believes it is better to shut the entire chapter down and restart it after conditions change, even if the allegations against said chapter are either dismissed or the group found not guilty.

I don't think that it's a lack of leadership on IHQ's part, by the way. I think they believe they act in the best interests of the entire fraternity by taking such actions, unpopular though they may be, and, they haven't always had a good track record either, though I think things are going in the right way in Indianapolis now.

I've never agreed with certain decisions, though, I do understand their rationale behind decisions that affected brothers and chapters near and dear to my heart. It doesn't make it any less painful for all involved.

When it comes down to costs/benefits, that's where the decision about SDSU will be made - is it worth the potential PR black eye to simply put the chapter on probation, now that the entire campus's and greek system's reputation has been called into question, or, would it be more beneficial to close now, and recolonize again after HQ is assured that the campus is truly "favorable" to our ideals?

Like you stated, it's all about the stigma/perception this incident will leave with the campus after the press finally decides to move on to another "story of the week."

Then again, most, if not all the press about the SDSU situation focuses on another fraternity altogether, so that may be in our chapter's benefit.

[Tom Earp]

Time will tell!

[LXA grits]

Giving power to the man, I pass along a couple of updates I've seen online. First, here's this.

Remember how originally, six fraternities were on interim suspension for all this negative activity? Well, today, three of those fraternities (not including Lambda Chi Alpha) have been taken off suspension. The reasons listed were because the actions were conducted by inactive members or those living outside the chapter houses. If I'm understanding this report correctly, and I won't say with certainty that I am, Lambda Chi Alpha has thur far been kept on the "interim suspension" list, because involved members must have been active in-housers. No more specifics provided.

Secondly, there's this: the NIC (North-American Interfraternity Council)'s position statement of the going-ons out west. I commend THEM for taking the position of ensuring the best fraternal experience of all Greek members, by reminding us all of the detracting relationship this kind of activity has on our core values.

[GammaZeta]

"(even if it's not 100% true)...."

See, that is what concerns me the most. Now we start to ignore facts, the truth behind the situation and we only become concerned about good pr and publicity.

Put yourself in your brothers shoes. Imagine you were one of them, and you may have only did some pot. Now all of a sudden, because of what it says in the NEWSPAPER, you are getting kicked out.

I say we grow some balls and start sticking up for our fellow brothers, regardless of how they are portrayed in the MEDIA or NEWSPAPAER.

If they did something wrong, let them get punished for what they DID, NOT what was REPORTED that they did.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

"(even if it's not 100% true)...."

See, that is what concerns me the most. Now we start to ignore facts, the truth behind the situation and we only become concerned about good pr and publicity.

Put yourself in your brothers shoes. Imagine you were one of them, and you may have only did some pot. Now all of a sudden, because of what it says in the NEWSPAPER, you are getting kicked out.

I say we grow some balls and start sticking up for our fellow brothers, regardless of how they are portrayed in the MEDIA or NEWSPAPAER.

If they did something wrong, let them get punished for what they DID, NOT what was REPORTED that they did.

Now here, I have to agree with GammaZeta. Reports I have read, the chapter was doing really very well, involved and growing.

There may be a stain on the chapter by a few so why penalize all of the Brothers who were not involved.

As to letting the officers at IHQ make the decision, I am sure they will hopefully what is the best for everyone.

For the thoughts and comments on this site not meaning much, I disagree. It is seen by members at IHQ and GHZ who check it. They may take what is said to heart, but all of the facts must come out for them to make the final decission.

In a nut shell, I do not want to see the current Brothers screwed as it were, nor any possible and future Brothers not have a chance to be a LXA.

[GammaZeta]

Going "unscathed" would be relative in this case.

Unscathed legally, maybe.

Unscathed in the public eye and in reputation, no way.

[Cube TX]

How many times has that chapter been shut down? I was at SDSU in 1998 or so when UTEP played SDSU in Qualcomm/Jack Murphy/whatever they call it now Stadium and there was no Lambda Chi chapter then.

[Cube TX]

I see the SDSU chapter won a few awards according to the new electronic Cross & Crescent. Are they still around?

[john1082]

We had three chapters in San Diego: San Diego State (closed), UC San Diego, and the University of San Diego. San Diego State did receive a recruitment award but operations were suspended after the award decisions were made.