Hazed: A greek tragedy at Northwestern-Lambda Phi Epsilon

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I really don't see what the big deal is. Nobody died or got hurt. Of course hazing is wrong but this is not newsworthy IMO.

Feelings were hurt.

Aren't feelings important?

[L.O.C.K.]

I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.

As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are).

While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with.

Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young.

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pb...NTPAGECAROUSEL


If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Sincerely,
Nate

[CULater]

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.

As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are).

While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with.

Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young.

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pb...NTPAGECAROUSEL


If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Sincerely,
Nate

that's so sad, i know people who go to Cornell and Binghamton...

mentioning Cornell, they have a Sunshine Policy where greeks who have gotten hazing sanctions are put on blast:

http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...ngBlotter.html

Lambda Phi Epsilon has gotten into trouble twice, both alcohol and calinsthetics related

[33girl]

Originally Posted by CULater

mentioning Cornell, they have a Sunshine Policy where greeks who have gotten hazing sanctions are put on blast:

http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...ngBlotter.html

The problem with that is, some of them are ridiculous (the toilet paper) and it just makes everyone laugh at it...so even if you got caught "hazing", if it's something the general populace finds funny or not bad it's not going to hurt your numbers....it will more likely help them because it gives you PR.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by L.O.C.K.

I am not saying whether or not this chapter was guilty because there hasn't been any results from an investigation.

As for LPhiE's National Board, as Vice Chair of the umbrella organization for 10 Asian American fraternities and sororities, we have offered them the opportunity to join our organization and work with us to improve the Asian American Greek community. However, they have refused. At this point, we have no contact with their National Board (nor do we know who they are).

While I respect the tenants of Lambda Phi Epsilon and I know brothers of the organization who are very respectable and uphold the organizational values, as a whole, Lambda Phi Epsilon has been very hard to work with.

Unfortunately, I just saw this article about a death of one of their brothers from Binghamton. It is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the family of this man who died way too young.

http://www.pressconnects.com/apps/pb...NTPAGECAROUSEL


If you all have more questions, feel free to post here or PM me.

Sincerely,
Nate

Nate, I take issue with this..... Theta Nu Xi hasn't joined the National Multicultural Greek Council and both they and NMGC are doing fine. LPE might not feel your council is the best fit for them, and that's okay.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Feelings were hurt.

Aren't feelings important?

Not important enough to warrant a damn newspaper article or an "outrage." Most pledges would be happy if this "drink til you drop" was the worst part of their pledgeship.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Most pledges would be happy if this "drink til you drop" was the worst part of their pledgeship.

I think Kevin's post was meant to be sarcastic (dripping with it, in fact).

And the danger of the statement above is that too quickly, these sentiments could turn into ridiculous things like boiling water being poured on pledges and disfiguring them for life.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I think Kevin's post was meant to be sarcastic (dripping with it, in fact).

And the danger of the statement above is that too quickly, these sentiments could turn into ridiculous things like boiling water being poured on pledges and disfiguring them for life.

Yes, that was sarcastic, but as far as the correlation between PhiGam's sort of hazing and the pouring of boiling water, I just don't see it. One most certainly does not lead to the other.

While both from a risk standpoint are bad things, of course, and both would for some result in serious bodily injury or possibly death, they just aren't related.

[exlurker]

Update September 24, 2008: Four-Year Suspension Upheld

Story from the Daily Northwestern's site:

http://media.www.dailynorthwestern.c...-3448862.shtml

Excerpts:
After losing all appeal attempts this summer, Lambda Phi Epsilon fraternity received a four-year suspension from Northwestern, said Jim Neumeister, director of judicial affairs. The sanction was the result of a hearing in front of University Hearing and Appeals System last spring.

The board found the historically Asian fraternity violated four university rules, Neumeister said: hazing, a rule prohibiting violence or threatening the safety of any person, restrictions on recruitment until Winter Quarter of a student's freshman year and failure to cooperate with the investigation and student conduct hearings.

Knowledge of the hazing practices became widespread after an April story in The Weekly. . . . They [former pledges] said members of the fraternity forced them to perform all-night calisthenics . . . and drink gallon jugs of thick liquid appearing to be a mixture of ketchup and Tabasco sauce.

The fraternity is prohibited from any on-campus or off-campus activities until at least the 2012-2013 school year. . . .

[Impulse]

I agree because the pledges did not die and were not seriously hurt, so the sitution is not that bad....but i think its pretty dumb for making the pledges to drink mixed ketchup and hot sauce. There are better ways to unify a pledge class.

To my knowledge, Northwestern Lambda Phi Epsilon will be hosting their National Convention later this month. I honestly hope this situation will not cause too much of a negative effect.

[CULater]

Originally Posted by Impulse

I agree because the pledges did not die and were not seriously hurt, so the sitution is not that bad....

wow....we might have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Low C Sharp]

If they kicked complete idiots off of campuses, most schools would have to close.

Selective private schools like Northwestern aren't most schools. For every kid who's admitted, 3 or 4 are turned away. If the accusations are true, get these fools off campus and give those seats in the college to kids who deserve them more. Bright young people are lining up to get into schools like Northwestern.
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[chaos07]

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

Originally Posted by chaos07

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

If you spent time reading the message boards instead of spouting off right away, you'll see in this very forum that it's not just this fraternity getting trouble...mmkay?

Reading is fundamental.

And I think there's room for only one Chaos.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by chaos07

its funny how this organization is getting all the bad rep. yet we know in the greek world that there is much more well known organizations that do much worse and everyone knows it yet they dont get shit for it. its just my opinion but i think because this organization is still young compared to other organizations that have been here for a long time (which i highly respect: especially ones who actually "EARN their letters and colors") they are more proned to get hates from others.

??? what ???

Being on a campus or a National has nothing to do with it.

If not condoned then what?