Sean Bell's Killers (NYC Cops) Walk

[texas*princess]

It was sad to hear the news When I initially heard the story I couldn't believe it, and was sure the guys who needlessly shot him would be put in jail at the very least.

[DSTCHAOS]

The situation isn't as volatile as people are interpreting it. The cause speeds on but there is no overwhelming sense of outrage that is likely to lead to a riot. Riots happen for a combination of reasons beyond an incident of injustice. They usually are a culmination of discontent with underlying inequalities and social issues like joblessness, poverty, and racial antagonism and a particular incident provides the venue. The riot probably would've begun already if it was going to happen in the Bell case. And Sharpton has his faults but he's generally too responsible and political to incite a riot.

Out of respect for his "widow," child, and family the Bell situation is likely to be handled in a different fashion. Even Roc A Wear is allowing Nicole Paultre-Bell to speak out.

[shinerbock]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Out of respect for his "widow," child, and family the Bell situation is likely to be handled in a different fashion. Even Roc A Wear is allowing Nicole Paultre-Bell to speak out.

I wanted to ask someone about this, if anyone has seen this "ad." I saw a blip about it but haven't actually seen it. What is it appearing in?

I was somewhat disturbed by it at first, but it sounds like it may not be a traditional advertising relationship. I looked briefly but couldn't find details, anyone know more?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I wanted to ask someone about this, if anyone has seen this "ad." I saw a blip about it but haven't actually seen it. What is it appearing in?

I was somewhat disturbed by it at first, but it sounds like it may not be a traditional advertising relationship. I looked briefly but couldn't find details, anyone know more?

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/i...in-rocawear-ad

http://www.defsounds.com/news/Rocawe...ks_controversy



....aaaahhhhh...but there was no jury.....

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/i...in-rocawear-ad

http://www.defsounds.com/news/Rocawe...ks_controversy



....aaaahhhhh...but there was no jury.....

coooool...thanks.

That's different than the ad that I have saved. I like the one you found better.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/i...in-rocawear-ad

http://www.defsounds.com/news/Rocawe...ks_controversy



....aaaahhhhh...but there was no jury.....

There is still the civil case......

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I wanted to ask someone about this, if anyone has seen this "ad." I saw a blip about it but haven't actually seen it. What is it appearing in?

I was somewhat disturbed by it at first, but it sounds like it may not be a traditional advertising relationship. I looked briefly but couldn't find details, anyone know more?

I don't see it as a traditional advertising relationship, either.

I think it's a good idea because it provides a voice whereas not having a voice is what the desire for violent protest are made of.

I can't show the image that's on my computer but it's just a very simple ad. There's a photo of Nicole Bell (I assume it's Mrs. Bell) wearing Roc A Wear earrings. The caption reads "we are going to be here 'til the end, 'til justice is served." At the bottom it says "Roc a Wear--I will not lose."

[shinerbock]

Well, I'll admit that when I first heard about the ad, my first reaction was distaste. I immediately thought "is she getting paid for this?" and that didn't sit well with me. I think it is odd to capitalize on this type of fame, and for Roca to do the same.

But, maybe she isn't getting paid. Maybe everyone is acting as an advocate, which although I'm not sure I agree with it (because I'm not sure what justice is here, though my opinions have certainly not been formed against such a campaign), it is much less disconcerting to me.

But even if she is getting paid, I'm not sure I find it as appalling as I did when first hearing of it. She's presumably devoted a lot of time to this, and she's got a family to care for. I think in this scenario (a more traditional ad relationship), my discomfort would come from Roca, which is probably reaping some financial benefit from the exposure. But, who says you can't mix activism with business.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

And Sharpton has his faults but he's generally too responsible and political to incite a riot.

I was just thinking the same thing

[nittanyalum]

I'll leave the linkages up to you, Jon, that's what you do. IF there is a case where a police officer was shot 50 times, the shooters were caught and they didn't get a hefty sentence for killing that cop, I would LOVE to see it. If it existed, I'm sure we'd all be aware of it.

And the definition of "peace" officer isn't what I was questioning, it was your use in sympathy with the police and your obvious "bend" in this case.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I'll leave the linkages up to you, Jon, that's what you do. IF there is a case where a police officer was shot 50 times, the shooters were caught and they didn't get a hefty sentence for killing that cop, I would LOVE to see it. If it existed, I'm sure we'd all be aware of it.

And the definition of "peace" officer isn't what I was questioning, it was your use in sympathy with the police and your obvious "bend" in this case.

I only do it to provide information and facts. Too many times in any kind of discussion, that sort of stuff goes missing.
So, the offer and suggestion is still open.

Just as how many people today remember the three other lives wreaked by the TB matter that Rev Al walked away from??
I ask that only as a pointer that we all do not know or recall everything that goes on.

And your "bend" may be showing in your POV of my use of a term.
Look back at my OP and you may just see how the definition is used.

And FYI, there are matters involved in this case that do truly bother me. And many of them, if not all, have already been brought up.

[nittanyalum]

Oh, I'll state and stand behind my bend in this case -- those officers killed that man in cold blood and are free to return to their lives and families. It's unconscionable. They should be locked up and made to pay for their crime just like anyone else who did what they did (but didn't have a badge to protect them). And worse, it doesn't send a signal of support or comfort to the society around them that are supposed to trust them and put their lives in their hands, nor does it give a lesson to other members of the force that actions like this won't just be swept under the rug. When citizens carry fear or mistrust of the police, it is because of incidents like this. So call them whatever you want, a p.r. campaign won't erase the appalling injustice in this (and similar) cases.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Oh, I'll state and stand behind my bend in this case -- those officers killed that man in cold blood and are free to return to their lives and families. It's unconscionable. They should be locked up and made to pay for their crime just like anyone else who did what they did (but didn't have a badge to protect them). And worse, it doesn't send a signal of support or comfort to the society around them that are supposed to trust them and put their lives in their hands, nor does it give a lesson to other members of the force that actions like this won't just be swept under the rug. When citizens carry fear or mistrust of the police, it is because of incidents like this. So call them whatever you want, a p.r. campaign won't erase the appalling injustice in this (and similar) cases.

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I'll leave the linkages up to you, Jon, that's what you do. IF there is a case where a police officer was shot 50 times, the shooters were caught and they didn't get a hefty sentence for killing that cop, I would LOVE to see it. If it existed, I'm sure we'd all be aware of it.

And Nittanyalum-I too have been profiled, stopped and pulled over. And searched.

And the definition of "peace" officer isn't what I was questioning, it was your use in sympathy with the police and your obvious "bend" in this case.

And if one were to take your posting on its very face:
If a Peace Officer were to be shot only once or twice, knifed two or three times, or run over by a car once or twice and then dies, and the person goes free, all is OK?
I am sure that you do not mean or believe that, but your posting could indicate that.
And I only pointed it out as an example of emotions and just how they can have an impact on a persons thoughts and actions.

[Senusret I]

I believe in the justice system.

I did not hear the evidence.

The lack of a jury trial is can be a disadvantage to the defendant, which is why it is up to the defendant to waive it or not.

I am not upset at the judge.

I would like to know how the prosecutors did or did not do their job.

Do I really care? Probably not.

[DaemonSeid]

One thing to keep in mind also Sen I.


The officers gambled (correctly) to not have a jury trial...

most people woukd think it to be insane...however


The Amadou Diallo trial was done by a jury and look how that turned out....