Tiers in The SEC

[Lucky SC]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Good Lord. It's different at every school.
Get over your obsession!

seemingly not, if you had read and payed attention to similar threads then you would notice this as well. If you don't want to contribute then don't

[banditone]

From what I hear for South Carolina:
SAE
ATO
EN
KA

[UGAalum94]

When you all are doing the overall system rankings, can I ask what you are considering?

The huge split between Ole Miss and Mississippi State seems strange to me on some level.

[banditone]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

When you all are doing the overall system rankings, can I ask what you are considering?

The huge split between Ole Miss and Mississippi State seems strange to me on some level.

One more time:

Membership Size (membership at a given time).
Alumni Size.
Physical Plant (house and structures).
Alumni Support (to the house).
Alumni Support (to the University).
War Chest (house money for events).
Campus Involvement / Leadership roles.
What Sororities they interact with on average.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by banditone

One more time:

Membership Size (membership at a given time).
Alumni Size.
Physical Plant (house and structures).
Alumni Support (to the house).
Alumni Support (to the University).
War Chest (house money for events).
Campus Involvement / Leadership roles.
What Sororities they interact with on average.

Was this posted before? Where?

But by those standards, is there that huge a difference between Ole Miss and State, particularly when you look at strong groups on both campuses?

I know Ole Miss has a strong reputation for being old south and exclusive, but I'm not sure the reality of who is really going there matches up with outside expectation.

State is a little redneck to be sure, but if you look at kind of a who's who for Mississippi, State grads are pretty well represented.

Reputation definitely counts for something, and on that alone I understand why Ole Miss is higher, but one of the top two or three while State is at the bottom seems odd if you're looking at anything objective, particularly when Auburn is solidly in the middle.

ETA: I've had relatives go to State and I can say that being Greek seemed far more important to being influential on campus at State than it did at Georgia.

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by banditone

Physical Plant (house and structures).
Campus Involvement / Leadership roles.
What Sororities they interact with on average.

The other criteria you mentioned can be objectively measured. If your house has a $100,000 social budget, there's no arguing that it's more (and thereby better) than the one next door or across the state that has a $50K budget.

These, however, come down to opinion. Is it better to have a huge new house, like several of the FSU houses, or a classic, but smaller house, like Fiji at Texas? How much better or worse? What campus leadership roles actually "mean something"? Student government president is usually the consensus most prestigious position on a campus, but the level of respect definitely varies from campus to campus. This kind of stuff is why it's hard to directly compare/rank fraternities across the South, much less across the nation, and we haven't even gotten into the intangibles, like how many brothers are douchebags.

What I'm saying is, you can rank houses, but I'd say that only maybe half of the ranking can be made objectively. The other half is up to the individual.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

The huge split between Ole Miss and Mississippi State seems strange to me on some level.

My observations come alot through FH and OR, because I'm not able to visit every campus (though I've visited a good 75% of the ones I listed). That influences alot of it because there are few to none (that I'm aware of) Mississippi St. people on those two boards. I have visited Mississippi St and was not terribly impressed.

My theory/reasons for the low standing of MS is that it doesn't have any significant chapters that would override Sigma Nu or Phi Delt at Ole Miss. No stellar chapter (lots of good chapters, though). Miss St.'s football tradition isn't excellent like Alabama's or Texas' or Georgia. Starkville is a miserable place and doesn't have the "Old South" feel that Oxford has (nor the bar scene, in my opinion). Perhaps this is my own biases, but I think alot of people would agree.

edit: And yeah, he's posted them two or three times. They're excellent in my opinion and a good line for determing fraternities.

[banditone]

One thing State does have going for it is some pretty darn incredible houses structure wise. Wow.

[Lucky SC]

Originally Posted by banditone

From what I hear for South Carolina:
SAE
ATO
EN
KA

With SAE we always partnered up With KA, all the parties were almost thrown together.

Sigma Nu is also "top tier" i suppose but kind of do their own thing.

ATO had an 8 man pledge class in the fall so they are kind of falling out of it, still good guys though don't get me wrong. Other ones that people would argue are good are probably Sigma Chi and Kappa Sig. Sig Ep is on their way up but just got a house and are still relatively new i think.

[Lucky SC]

i've never been to state, but in regards to what elephant walk said... I've always heard Ole Miss has pretty much every GLO you could ever think of and the whole school is greek.

Pretty much if being Greek was a religion, then it was the Mecca (spelling?)

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

i've never been to state, but in regards to what elephant walk said... I've always heard Ole Miss has pretty much every GLO you could ever think of and the whole school is greek.

Pretty much if being Greek was a religion, then it was the Mecca (spelling?)

It depends on who you want to worship with. The groups are there, but the guys in them might not actually be especially impressive relative to other schools. They may all fancy themselves Delta planters, but the real deals might be scarcer than you think.

Anyone have a handy site of percentage of students involved in greek life?

The number of groups at Ole Miss doesn't seem that high.

[bowsandtoes]

Coming from Texas I would have to say Georgia and LSU are just as good.

There are a lot of schools like Tech were the greek system is a huge part of the social scene, but at the same time the top chapters there can't really compare with some of the other schools mentioned.

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Just thought I'd prevent the pissing contest these threads so often turn into...

[SthrnZeta]

EW, you obviously haven't been around long enough to see how these threads turn out then. Do a little search, you'll see.

[Lucky SC]

schools like UGA and UF are going to face this with their increasingly high academic standards which is one way a good thing but in another will decrease the amount of "fraternity men" so to say as you were arguing.

I can see this more in Texas and Florida, but i think UGA has a way to go considering it has always had a pretty secure southern feel, the rest of Georgia is far from being like Atlanta... trust me lol. North Georgia is straight boonies.

And Atlanta has a lot of old money in it as well like the Buckhead areas and such, all of the kids from all of those private schools and the nicer public schools in cities like Marietta, Peachtree, and Alpharetta are still all mostly flooding into UGA.

UGA is trying to be progressive but its still very far behind. I don't mean this to come off racist, but 5% african american population, and i think 5-10% asian... the rest all being white kids. Still pretty much like it always has been, strange considering the fact that GA has a relatively high population of african americans.