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[DSTCHAOS]

And you are supposed to be.....?

BGLOs were brought up HERE so we're discussing it HERE.

ETA: You should've stopped the thread hijack a page or so ago.

[srmom]

Oh and imagine how this society would really be if Southerners truly minded their own business and let others do their thing. This country's history would be a lot different and that applies to how organizations were founded and how they currently operate

How would they be different? Examples? Just curious as to your thinking process...

[srmom]

I am just truly curious as to how organizations would be different if "southerners" would mind their own business, or whatever he was espousing.

Back to discriminating against pnm's - as an old lady whose seen alot over the years (and not just in greek organizations), there is discrimination based on just about every ridiculous thing you can think of when it comes to offering membership to an organization. I've even seen discrimination in Bible study groups (no lie). So, to say that because a national organization has something in their charter about "non-discrimination," they are going to abide by it, is generally a bunch of bull hinky. And, this is not exclusive to the south...

But, I've become quite jaded over the years

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by srmom

So, to say that because a national organization has something in their charter about "non-discrimination," they are going to abide by it, is generally a bunch of bull hinky. And, this is not exclusive to the south...

I think we all know there's no 100%.

To generally answer your other question, some exclusionary practices are meant to segregate in the name of "seperate but equal...or do whatever you do but stay out of our way." Other exclusionary practices are meant to segregate while also relegating others to lower status and both overt and more subtle differential treatment. The latter in particular happens all over the country, and more specifically in the South, and is not a tactic used by self-proclaimed "our own business minders."

Apply that logic to a historical and contemporary look at social interactions and the operation of social institutions, including quite a few Greek lettered organizations, that have conscientiously documented and benefited from exclusionary tactics.

[nate2512]

I'm sorry for implying something on groups on wide basis. I'm not trying to justify prejudices because I have none.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nate2512

I'm sorry for implying something on groups on wide basis. I'm not trying to justify prejudices because I have none.

I firmly believe that how people's posts come off the first time is how they were intended. As humans we attempt to come back to correct ourselves so the viewpoints expressed can be in line with our nonprejudiced opinions of ourselves.

You said that antidiscriminatory claims for organizations are stupid, which is interesting in and of itself since this discussion wasn't just about denying membership to people who wore Izod versus Ralph Lauren (that stuff was mentioned but it wasn't the context of every post). You then said that an Obama supporter wouldn't fit in with your chapter, which was apparently a race correlation for you because you not-so-randomly inserted your tidbit about whites in BGLOs. And, btw, that was an intentionally broad comparison that you made.

Yeah...that post and the resulting discussion happened exactly as they were meant to happen. No backpedaling.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I firmly believe that how people's posts come off the first time is how they were intended.

Because you can read my mind and tell me exactly what I intended. And yes, I have certain prejudices, but race is not one of them. Don't even think about trying to me how I feel about certain things because you do not know me. You do not know how my organization is run. I do not tell you how to run yours, therefore you do not tell me how to run mine. I do not see what my chapter of my organization not taking an Obama supporter has to with race. An Obama supporter can white, black or any other color. And if being an obama supporter makes this race correlated then you would seem to be saying that only black people support obama and all black people support obama. The fact that I do not care for Obama has nothing to do with his race.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Being a racist and having prejudices are very different, just so everyone knows. And while I'm completely off topic, I think that there are probably many KAs that are not racist OR prejudice.


For example, my chapter currently has two minoritiy brothers and one pledge. For the next four years, at least, there will be no black pledges. At all.
Not because my chapter is racist, but because some of the guys won't let it happen. So, while I would be surprised to see a minority in a KA chapter, I'd also be surprised if there weren't a lot of guys that wanted one.

If there won't be a black pledge because it can't happen then that is systematic... and that is racism. I'm not trying to call you out because I believe that organizations should be allowed to take whoever they want, but that doesn't make it anything other than racism when you deny a black guy membership only because hes black.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by nate2512

I'm not trying to justify prejudices because I have none.

That is impressive. I wish I could say the same. I do not have the power to turn them into an "ism", but I do have some prejudices.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I think you, and many others, are a little confused on how to take some of us.

I'm not confused.

I have also never read any of your posts that I can recall. So don't make yourself the GC Southerner spokesperson just as I will not make myself the GC Southerner spokesperson.

[nittanyalum]

Water seeks its own level. For good or bad.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Water seeks its own level. For good or bad.

I've never heard that before... very nice.

[PhiGam]

First of all Benzgirl... my GLO is diverse and I am glad that it is. We are the only good fraternity at this university that has a significant number of minorities because race is NOT a factor for a bid here. Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions. You have some problem with the way things go down here... I know exactly why but I'm not going to post it and get banned, if you want to know my true opinion of you I will be happy to PM it.
And srmom apparently you do not know about American history if you think that any of the south's problems are from meddling in other states' affairs. We do mind our own business... like it or not.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

First of all Benzgirl... Perhaps you shouldn't make assumptions.

Originally Posted by PhiGam

I'm pretty sure they are the same at every school too.

*insert pot/kettle reference*

[PhiGam]

And KA Society is racist... plain and simple. I have no desire to be a part of that organization and that is the only reason. They wear CSA uniforms because they were founded by Robert E Lee. They have a southern cross on their house, re enact a civil war battle every year, and got in trouble for spreading cotton on a black fraternity's lawn a few years back. These guys ARE stuck in 1865. I'm pretty sure they are the same at every school too. Most southern fraternities aren't like this though.
They are obviously not people that I want to associate with but they still have a right to have their own private organization. Any claim by them of not being racist is a boldfaced lie though.