Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

Maybe it's a Texas thing, or maybe it's just a maturity thing, but many people with extremely good taste, who are definitely not working-class wear jeans and t shirts.

I was at a high school basketball playoff game Tuesday night, and the stands were full of men who were in jeans and t shirts supporting our team. Most of these men were in fraternities while in college, all are college graduates, and all have executive level positions (unless they are ex-executives who took the golden parachute or trust funders who invested well, then they are unemployed).

While I will agree with you that at most social situations, such as dinner parties or get togethers, men are in dress pants or chinos, there are many other situations, beyond yard work or ranching, where men wear jeans.

I want to edit and add that last night while watching Project Runway, Michael Korrs described why he always wears jeans with a t shirt and sport coat. I would hardly call him blue collar!

Michael Korrs might not get a bid in a SEC rush. His interests probably don't line up with a lot of the guys.

I think you'd see adults wearing jeans at high school sporting events any place. I don't think you'd see t-shirts as much as you'd see polos with them around where I live, and I think collared shirts are probably more the norm on the kind of adult guy you described where I am.

I think jeans are probably way more common on adult, college educated, well-off, white-collar men in Texas than in Georgia, but it's not even as if adult people in Georgia are giving it a lot of thought, especially if they, like I do, live in an area with a lot of people from around the country. I don't think people are really that judgmental about what other people are wearing, especially in regard to men.

I want to add that I noted all that class related stuff not because I care, but just to clarify that I'm not trying to say that everyone in my little section of the south is less likely to wear jeans, just a certain little segment.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Michael Korrs might not get a bid in a SEC rush. His interests probably don't line up with a lot of the guys.

Oh my god, she never said he would!! We get that your frame of reference is the SEC, we get it!!!!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Oh my god, she never said he would!! We get that your frame of reference is the SEC, we get it!!!!

Right, but she mentioned him as if his fashion advice were somehow valuable in the context of this thread. I was largely joking, but the guys we're talking about really wouldn't care a flip about what he thought.

And if you get that the frame of reference is the SEC, why doesn't everyone lay off the "why does the the south want to pass judgment" angle that's played out here? Why are people arguing about what they wear other places?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

You're exactly right. There's also SEC football and bourbon.

Ah, bourbon. You hit on something I care about. SEC football? Eh.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

MysticCat, I agree with there being a lot of difference across the south generally in Southern culture, but I'm not sure there's that big a difference in what fraternity chapters expect in dress. And it's a area where you probably ought to err on the side of being boring and predictable, at least until you are initiated.

If we're sticking with the orginal topic and talking about rush attire, then I agree completely, but if blanket statements about adult dress are being made, then I think it's a different story.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Well, I think everyone in the SEC dresses up for football, although it looks like it may be a little less so than it used to be

When I was in college, dressing up was expected for football games, which were considered social affairs as much as anything. You didn't dress up for basketball games, which were (and are still) considered much, much more important events sportwise than football games. I don't think dressing up for football happens nearly as much as it used too -- it was on the wane even then.

I would say chapters at schools in North Carolina I have some familiarity with and observation of certainly know how to dress nicely when the occasion calls for it, but I would not say that overall expectations match up with the SEC as some have described them here.

[UGAalum94]

I think only one poster made any sweeping statements about male attire that got any vivid responses. If you go back far enough, but not so far as the race stuff, there are some generalizations about the type of jeans mean should wear.

As near as I can tell, once people limited the geographic area of which they are willing to speak and the context of the events, we are actually in pretty close agreement, but apparently those limitations are problematic too, too narrow or something. I'll work on posting my generalizations so they are just broad enough in the future.

[srmom]

Chill out, for heaven's sake, you have the rest of your life to make sure you get the stick stuck up there good and tight.

hillarious and true

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by srmom

hillarious and true

I really think we could hang out, srmom.

[nittanyalum]

Because like MysticCat said, the SEC is NOT the whole of the south. And because sasquatch was very definitive in his statements of what the norm is in terms of no jeans/tshirts and did not confine it to just the SEC. And why do you always debate by question?


ETA: and when I said "your frame of reference is the SEC", I didn't mean the general "you" as in all the southerners on this thread, I meant YOU. Your only spectrum seems to be the SEC and you continually only reference things back through that prism, even when that's not what others in the general conversation are doing.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Because like MysticCat said, the SEC is NOT the whole of the south. And because sasquatch was very definitive in his statements of what the norm is in terms of no jeans/tshirts and did not confine it to just the SEC. And why do you always debate by question?

Why not?

So basically, you don't like me limiting my reference to the SEC, but you fault him for not doing so?

Okay.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

So basically, you don't like me limiting my reference to the SEC, but you fault him for not doing so?

No, I'd prefer if you stayed in the general area of the conversation instead of always steering it back through your SEC-limited-frame-of-reference.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

No, I'd prefer if you stayed in the general area of the conversation instead of always steering it back through your SEC-limited-frame-of-reference.

Come on now, I've explained that I think what people think is appropriate to wear varies by region. And a large part of the flame up here was based on someone not limiting his sweeping generalization enough.

It seems to me that bringing in Michael Korrs was less related to the conversation as it occurred than anything I've said.

Sasquatch left the conversation a while ago. I think I'm the only southerner posting right now. I'm trying to speak for my own experience and was being very careful to limit my commentary. What are you looking for exactly? Are you trying to have a much broader conversation about male fashion?

[srmom]

Michael Korrs might not get a bid in a SEC rush. His interests probably don't line up with a lot of the guys.

Oh, I doubt very seriously that he'd get a bid at Texas either. I was just using him as an example of a man over 22 who wears jeans - And looks mighty good in them too, I might add.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

Oh, I doubt very seriously that he'd get a bid at Texas either. I was just using him as an example of a man over 22 who wears jeans - And looks mighty good in them too, I might add.

As I said, it was mainly a joke. And in addition to his personal dress, he is, by most standards, a fashion expert as well, so he's a good guy to mention if we're talking about general fashion.

I have no doubt that wearing jeans after 22 in Texas is common at all levels of society, across social groups, and based on other folks weighing in, in a lot of other areas as well. I have relatives in another state in the Southwest, and from their perspective, there are probably very few occasions where you wouldn't wear jeans. (And one of them is a member of same national fraternity that my khaki-wearing dad is and has a very white collar job as well.)

[macallan25]

So now this has switched to Jeans are more prevalent and worn more often in Texas and the Southwest than they are in the Southeast?

Geez. Wearing jeans regardless of how old you are is "common" everywhere. It's not just a "Texas thing" or a "Southwest thing". This discussion is getting ridiculous.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by macallan25

So now this has switched to Jeans are more prevalent and worn more often in Texas and the Southwest than they are in the Southeast?

Geez. Wearing jeans regardless of how old you are is "common" everywhere. It's not just a "Texas thing" or a "Southwest thing". This discussion is getting ridiculous.

Oh, it's been ridiculous for a long time now.

I don't think you want to crank this back up, but don't you think the same class of people dresses pretty differently for similar events in different regions?

I want to note that I'm talking about people out of college, not in college.