Who is this Ron Paul?

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

EE-BO, you're a Mod, I have a question. What does it actually take to rid the boards of a troll? Do they have to cross a particular line, or is obvious and repeated trolling reason enough for a ban? (e.g., see above)


ETA: Troll edited post to sound more sane...

Your best bet is to report posts that violate the TOS and then the appropriate mods will take action. I do not moderate this particular board or have the power to ban someone- so there is not much more I can offer.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

EE-BO, you're a Mod, I have a question. What does it actually take to rid the boards of a troll? Do they have to cross a particular line, or is obvious and repeated trolling reason enough for a ban? (e.g., see above)


ETA: Troll edited post to sound more sane...

James, PenguinTrax, and John are the only ones who can ban. PM James or PT. Generally, even if the troll hasn't QUITE crossed the line, enough PMs will get them banned anyway.

[nittanyalum]

Wasn't talking to you, fool. Please see that I addressed my post TO a moderator.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by SoEnchanting

Anyone else see homemade Ron Paul signs EVERYWHERE in their town?

My mom said she's seeing the same thing up in Virginia. I'm wondering if it's like that everywhere. I don't remember ever having seen such grassroots support like this before...

LOL!!! They are spraypainted on old coke banners and sheets (at least that is what it looks like). When I first saw it I was thinking he was some one local or something. I have not see anymore of his signs, I guess they were not durable enouth to hold up. KapitalPhi (I can not spell his new name so RainMan) has Ron Paul in his siggy.

[AlphaFrog]

Ron Paul is about the only candidate that would ever make me want to vote Democrat. He's a bit of a nutjob in my opinion.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by SoEnchanting

Anyone else see homemade Ron Paul signs EVERYWHERE in their town?

My mom said she's seeing the same thing up in Virginia. I'm wondering if it's like that everywhere. I don't remember ever having seen such grassroots support like this before...

From the Washington Post site:
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2...ates/ron-paul/
From MSNBC site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17153378/
From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/can.../ron.paul.html
Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/youd...ndex.html#c=15

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...nton_and_obama

I too have seen people carrying signs for him as well a few road signs.

[nittanyalum]

I'm so glad you came back on GC, EE-BO!

[southernfrat]

in the debate today clinton kept trying to cite her experience as first lady. the debate today showed that the only candidates worth a shit in the democratic party are obama and edwards (note that i will vote any other party before i ever vote democrat).

now on the topic of ron paul, he is blowing smoke. many of his stances and what he says he will do in office just will not work. personally i think he's a lunatic and if he wants to be on the ballot in november he needs to go to the libertarian party because republicans would never put him on the ballot. huckabee or romney (i still have my doubts about him) will be the republican candidate and hopefully next president

[EE-BO]

And, in the words of a great old Mad TV sketch,

I'M THROUGH!

[EE-BO]

I have not followed Romney much since I would never vote for him, but would you say he has flip-flopped in a bigger way than other candidates? I hear that about him, but have not really looked into it.

Thanks for your kind words otherwise. I post when I can. And I try to be careful about politics since I am always up for a good debate- but I can get a little excited at times, and Romney is definitely a hot button for me right now.

[Tom Earp]

Since it seems that the topic has moved from Ron Paul, I thought I might throw this in!


Subject: People in the White House


Views of past presidents offered by Capt. Dennis Keast (USAF, retired)
from his Air force #1 mission experiences and talking with Secret Services
agents involved in some of those missions....... Capt. Denny Keast flies for
UAL and flew many SAM's (Special Air Mission 's) for the White House.

**********************************************

I flew 4 Presidential support missions in the C-141 out of Dover
AFB, DE.. Two for President Johnson and two for President Nixon.
Johnson was a first class jerk and on the two occasions I flew for him,
if the Secret Service and their Liaison in the Pentagon hadn't
intervened, we would have had to stay on the airplane for hours while he
(Johnson) was off somewhere. Nixon never required that and the four (4)
stops we made with him he was cordial to the Secret Service and to me
and my crew.

We had a neighbor when I lived in DC who was part of the secret service
presidential detail for many years. His stories of Kennedy and Johnson
were the same as those I heard from the guys who flew the presidents'
plane.

Yes, Kennedy did have Marilyn Monroe flown in for secret "dates," and
LBJ was a typical Texas "good ole boy" womanizer. Nixon, Bush 41, and
Carter never cheated on their wives. Clinton cheated, but couldn't match
Kennedy or LBJ in style or variety.

The information below is accurate: The elder Bush and current president
Bush make it a point to thank and take care of the air crews who fly
them around. When the president flies, there are several planes that
also go, one carries the armored limo, another the security detail, plus
usually a press aircraft. Both Bushes made it a point to stay home
on holidays, so the Air Force and security people could have a day
with their families.

Hillary Clinton was arrogant and orally
abusive to her security detail. She forbade her daughter, Chelsea, from
exchanging pleasantries with them. Sometimes Chelsea, miffed at her
mother's obvious conceit and mean spiritedness, ignored her demands and
exchanged pleasantries regardless, but never in her mother's presenc e.
Chelsea really was a nice, kindhearted, and lovely young lady. The
consensus opinion was that Chelsea loved her Mom but did not like her.
Hillary Clinton was continuously rude and abrasive to those who were
charged to protect her life. Her security detail dutifully did their
job, as professionals should, but they all loathed her and wanted to be
on a different detail. Hillary Clinton w as despised by the Secret
Service as a whole. Former President Bill Clinton was much more amiable
than his wife. Often the Secret Service would cringe at the verbal
attacks Hillary would use against her husband. They were embarrassed for
his sake by the manner and frequency in which she verbally insulted him,
sometimes in the presence of the Secret Service, and sometimes behind
closed doors. Even behind closed doors Hillary Clinton would scream and
holler so loudly that everyone could hear what she was saying. Many felt
sorry for President Clinton and most wondered why he tolerated it
instead of just divorcing his "attack dog" wife. It was crystal clear
that the Clintons neither liked nor respected each other and this was
true long before the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Theirs was genuinely a
"marriage of convenience." Chelsea was much closer to her father than
her mother, even after the Lewinsky scandal, which hurt her gravely.
Bill Clinton did in fact have charisma, and occasionally would smile at
or shake hands with his security detail. Still , he always displayed an
obvious air of superiority towards them. His security detail uniformly
believed him to be disingenuous, false, and that he did nothing without
a motive that in some way would enhance his image and political career.
He was polite, but not kind. They did not particularly like him and nobody
trusted him.

Al Gore was the male version of Hillary Clinton.
They were friendlier toward each other than either of them
were towards former President Clinton . They were not intimate, so
please don't read that in. They were very close in a political way.
Tipper Gore was generally nice and pleasant. She initially liked Hillary
but soon after the election she had her "pegged" and no longer liked her
or associated with her except for events that were politically obligatory.
Al Gore was far more left wing than Bill Clinton . Al Gore resented Bill
Clinton and thought he was too "centrist." He despised all Republicans.
His hatred was bitter and this was long before he announced for the
Presidency. This hatred was something that he and Hillary had in common.
They often said as much, even in the presence of their security detail.
Neither of them trusted Bill Clinton and, the Secret Service opined,
neither of them even liked him. Bill Clinton did have some good
qualities, whereas Al Gore and Hillary had none, in the view of their
security details. Al Gore, like Hillary, was very rude and arrogant
toward his security detail. He was extremely unappreciative and would
not hesitate to scold them in the presence of their peers for minor
details over which they had no control. Al Gore also looked down on
them, as they finally observed and learned with certainty on one
occasion. Al got angry at his offspring and pointed at his security
detail and said, "Do you want to grow up and be like them?" Word of this
insult by the former Vice-President quickly spread and he became as
disliked by the Secret Service as Hillary. Most of them prayed Al Gore
would not be elected President, and they really did have private
celebrations in a few of their homes after President Bush won. This was
not necessarily to celebrate President Bush's election, but to celebrate
Al Gore's defeat.

Everyone in the Secret Service wants to be on First Lady Laura Bush's
detail. Without exception, they concede that she is perhaps the nicest
and most kind person they have ever had the privilege
of serving. Where Hillary patently refused to allow her picture to be
taken with her security detail, Laura Bush doesn't even have to be
asked, she offers. She doesn't just shake their hand and say, "Thank
you." Very often, she will give members of her detail a kindhearted hug
to express her appreciation. There is nothing false about her. This is
her genuine nature. Her security detail considers her to be a "breath of
fresh air." They joke that comparing Laura Bush with Hillary Clinton is
like comparing "Mother Teresa" with the "Wicked Witch of the North."

Likewise, the Secret Service considers President Bush to be a gem
of a man to work for. He always treats them with genuine respect
and he always trusts and listens to their expert advice. They really
like the Crawford, Texas detail. Every time the president goes to
Crawford he has a Bar-B-Q for his security detail and he helps
serve their meals. He sits with them, eats with them, and talks
with them.. He knows each of them by their first name, and calls them by
their first name as a show of affection. He always asks about their
family, the names of which he always remembers. They believe that he is
deeply and genuinely appreciative of their service. They could not like,
love, or respect anyone more than President Bush. Most of them did not
know they would feel this way, until they had an opportunity to work for
him and learn that his manner was genuine and consistent. It has never
changed since he began his Presidency. He always treats them with the
utmost respect, kindness, and compassion.

Please pass this on. It is important for Americans to have a true inside
understanding of their President.. And also the woman who is currently a
candidate for president..

And as some say, who can take over a Country as huge as ours and try to not only run it, but the world!

Try to hire the best advisers to help of course, but I wonder why so many have left lately?

Why has so many since and including Nixon been involved in so many dirty tricks and politics?

[MysticCat]

^^^^ I'd beware forwarding and posting emails like this one.

Snopes says that the jury is still out on whether it is legit or is a political trick, but Snopes seems to be leaning heavily toward political trick.

That said, there's a lot about it (including the notable absence of the Reagans) that makes me more than willing to sell my castle to anyone who thinks this thing is for real.

[jwright25]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Snopes seems to be leaning heavily toward political trick.

That said, there's a lot about it (including the notable absence of the Reagans) that makes me more than willing to sell my castle to anyone who thinks this thing is for real.

I was kinda thinking that too. Even though there are other "recollections" out there that more or less imply the same observations about these individuals, the thing that I question most would be that a current or former Secret Service agent would freely discuss these things. I guess it just seems to me that part of their "oath of office" would be that they never reveal anything about the people they are protecting or things they have seen.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by jwright25

I was kinda thinking that too. Even though there are other "recollections" out there that more or less imply the same observations about these individuals, the thing that I question most would be that a current or former Secret Service agent would freely discuss these things. I guess it just seems to me that part of their "oath of office" would be that they never reveal anything about the people they are protecting or things they have seen.

Not to mention that it's not like the SAME secret service personnel protect each President and his family. For something like this to be true, me thinks you'd have to get a lot of SS folks on the protection detail to talk. It seems like an obvious ploy by the Republican party to paint Republicans as good and Democrats as bad, thereby helping whomever gets the GOP nomination.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

^^^^ I'd beware forwarding and posting emails like this one.

Snopes says that the jury is still out on whether it is legit or is a political trick, but Snopes seems to be leaning heavily toward political trick.

That said, there's a lot about it (including the notable absence of the Reagans) that makes me more than willing to sell my castle to anyone who thinks this thing is for real.

Thank you, MC! I'm with you, anything that starts with "We had a neighbor..." and ends with "Please pass this on to everyone you know..." automatically makes it suspect in my book.

From the Snopes article: "As Time magazine noted as far back as 1993, cranking out spurious stories that discredited Hillary Clinton and were attributed to Secret Service agents was a known political trick:

'A Republican consultant told a network newscaster that his job was to make sure Hillary Clinton is discredited before the 1996 campaign. Each day anti-Hillary talking points go out to talk-show hosts. The rumor machine is cranking out bogus stories about her face (lifted), her sex life (either nonexistent or all too active) and her marriage (a sham). Many of the stories are attributed to the Secret Service in an attempt to give the tales credibility.'"

And that was just when she was running for Senate. Can you imagine how the machine is cranking now that she's a serious contender for President??!?