My Sorority Pledge? I Swore Off Sisterhood

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't agree with that. I think women are evil. They will always be selfish, no matter how nice and giving they are. They are doing it for their own good or agenda.

That's a rather pesssimistic view, isn't it? I mean, I know that human beings are all flawed, but by saying that ALL women have an alternate agenda, don't you think you're insulting your sisterhood?

[pbear19]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

That's a rather pesssimistic view, isn't it? I mean, I know that human beings are all flawed, but by saying that ALL women have an alternate agenda, don't you think you're insulting your sisterhood?

More than that, she is insulting herself. She is saying that she herself is evil, unless somehow she is exempt from being a woman.

Yes, all people are inherently selfish, to a degree. Not just women. That is a trait of being human. But to have some measure of selfishness does not make one evil, and to say that women as a whole are evil is a level of cynicism that even I, a rather cynical person, have not embraced.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't agree with that. I think women are evil. They will always be selfish, no matter how nice and giving they are. They are doing it for their own good or agenda.

Wow! I'm sorry you feel this way. I know that women can be harsh, critical and selfish at times, but the vast majority that I have met over the past 32 years are caring, sweet, good-hearted people who would do for others before doing for themselves. They are our mothers, sisters and friends. I am proud to be a woman!

[sarasmile]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't agree with that. I think women are evil. They will always be selfish, no matter how nice and giving they are. They are doing it for their own good or agenda.

Wow. I'm not even sure what else to say to that. Well, that and pointing out the concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Its unfortunate that your experiences have brought you to that conclusion.

[ZTAMich]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

I don't agree with that. I think women are evil. They will always be selfish, no matter how nice and giving they are. They are doing it for their own good or agenda.

My co-worker was telling me about this article today at work. Before I got to read it we were chatting just in general about women and our relationships together. We commented on the fact that when you put women together in social settings, more times than not, we don't get along. There's too much competition, jealousy, etc etc. So I think your statement is true in many ways.

[midwesterngirl]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I hate saying this, but it sounds like this woman simply needs to go to some therapy and move on. I empathize with her being raped, but at what point do you allow yourself to heal, and say "screw them for making me feel that way"? She said herself she tried to use other things to make herself feel better.

So true. Until she does let go and moves on, this event and these people will continue to have power over her on a daily basis. Twenty years is a lifetime to hold onto this poison and she needs to let go. She can't change what happened to her but for her own mental functionality, she needs to change how she looks at it. Obviously she doesn't have to like it but she needs to come to terms with it and stop allowing these people to have power over her life after all these years.

[Leslie Anne]

Originally Posted by BigRedBeta

Of course the guys she mentioned "owned up" and guys will confront other guys, there may be a fight, but then the air gets cleared and everyone can enjoy a beer when it's over.

"Of course"???? I think you give guys too much credit. I was pretty surprised that the guys owned up in her story. I think that's a rarity.

The pissant frat boys who gang-raped my Kappa Delta sister suffered no consequences at all. They just went on their merry way and actually had the audacity to ask us to do Homecoming with them.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by Leslie Anne

"Of course"???? I think you give guys too much credit. I was pretty surprised that the guys owned up in her story. I think that's a rarity.

The pissant frat boys who gang-raped my Kappa Delta sister suffered no consequences at all. They just went on their merry way and actually had the audacity to ask us to do Homecoming with them.

I couldn't agree more! Not to mention, is "I'm sorry" good enough?

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

That's a rather pesssimistic view, isn't it? I mean, I know that human beings are all flawed, but by saying that ALL women have an alternate agenda, don't you think you're insulting your sisterhood?

No. It's being truthful without shoving sunshine up anyone's asses.

Originally Posted by pbear19

More than that, she is insulting herself. She is saying that she herself is evil, unless somehow she is exempt from being a woman.

Yes, all people are inherently selfish, to a degree. Not just women. That is a trait of being human. But to have some measure of selfishness does not make one evil, and to say that women as a whole are evil is a level of cynicism that even I, a rather cynical person, have not embraced.

I'm not insulting myself, or my sisterhood. I've been evil at times, I admit. And men are the same way... they just aren't catty like women. Like someone said, men will have fights or whatever, but in the end they'll all laugh and have a beer. Girls get vicious.

[pbear19]

I'm sorry PM_Mama, but I personally will never be convinced that the idea that some women have the capacity to be vicious means that all women are evil. That is a HUGE leap.

The capacity to be mean in certain circumstances (which is a human trait) does not equate to evilness.

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by PM_Mama00

No. It's being truthful without shoving sunshine up anyone's asses.

I think there's a level of truthfulness that can be obtained without asserting that all women are evil, particularly since there is no way possible physically that you have met all the women in the world. Was Eleanor Roosevelt evil? Was Mother Theresa evil? Were all the other women, alive, and dead, that suffered for their country, cause, or creed, evil? I beg to differ. That's not "shoving sunshine up anyones asses," as you so flagrantly put it, that is looking at the world with an optimistic view, as opposed to a hopeless view.

[Xidelt]

It sounds like this author had trust issues or difficulties getting close with women from the beginning. Her experience with the date rape and the fallout with the sorority were merely the "straw that broke the camel's back." She said she joined the sorority to finally get some female friends. That obviously backfired and she writes about her problems trusting groups of women to this day. To me, it sounds like her issues with close female relationships come from earlier in her life and joining the sorority was a bad idea to begin with. I'm surprised she doesn't have more trust issues in general because of the date-rape.

[CutiePie2000]

During rush week, she had interrogated me about my parents’ home and father’s profession, inexplicably wincing when I said “dentist.”

What's wrong with dentistry as a profession? Dentists make good money.....

[amycat412]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

What's wrong with dentistry as a profession? Dentists make good money.....

the only thing I can think of is the girl asking what daddy did for a living had a fear of dentists?

they ripped this article apart on jezebel.com today.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by CutiePie2000

What's wrong with dentistry as a profession? Dentists make good money.....

They make GOOD money, but it seems like her house was full of girls whose daddies were presidents of oil companies or CFOs of Microsoft. There's a difference between being extremely comfortable and being able to afford ANYTHING you want on a whim.