circle the fat!

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by bluemay414

Tell someone? Come one! First of all there is the proof. The so called "popular" groups are the worst and they have power. There is intimidation used and who wants to be the one to 'rat them out'. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there are rules broken all the time, but everyone turns a blind eye to it. I'm just saying it is wrong and I'm disgusted that it happens and especially allowed among these so called 'popular' groups. I have found that the 'popular' groups (in HS and College) are filled with some of the meanest people. The other members are so terrified of the others that they go along with things so they won't be turned on themselves. And if anyone out there says this is hogwash, then fine, believe what you want. All I can say is, I know what I know. Don't believe me if you don't want to. But this forum is about Hazing and I just thought some people might want a heads up before getting themselves involved in something that they will not feel comfortable with. And be prepared to do A LOT of drinking! If you don't like to drink, this might be a huge problem for you in becoming a pledge. A LOT of Sororities and esp. Fraternities will be making you drink a lot of alcohol. For real!

For some reason, I stopped reading my morning paper in order to read most of your postings.
In several threads and topics.
My hat, if I was wearing one, is off to you. You are a great troll.
IMHO, you are repeating many stories that at some point in time may have accrued at some place or another. Once, perhaps even twice.
And in this day and age, there would be proof.
And in this day and age, reports would be made.
And as my chapters photographer, I have over 6,000 slides and negatives in my possession. Do they show drinking (and some other drugs)-yes. As would a GDI room or dorm at that time would.
Given todays technologies, anything you are posting about would be "out there".
Does hazing go on-YES!
This is from Cornell-NOTE where the word "false" is:
http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...criptions.html
http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...ngBlotter.html

Took me less time to find that site than to write most of my post.
So, here is your challenge:
Find sites that back-up your claims. ALL of them.

And BTB, the term I was taught to be correct: Fraternity, NOT "frat".

[adpiucf]

If you know of hazing and you are not a member of the Greek System, you should report your specific concerns (what organizations were involved, when it occurred, what occurred) of what you have heard to the campus Greek Adviser. Hazing is a felony crime in many states and against the honor code at every university.

I can't believe a group of women would voluntarily submit to being naked in front of a group of men to be touched and prodded while others members of their groups watch and heckle them. That just sounds too absurd, and I've dealt with too many campuses to believe that would happen.

I am not saying hazing doesn't occur, but that just sounds like a spread in Hustler.

And if anyone ever finds themselves being asked to do something that they know is wrong, or instinctively doesn't feel right, goes against their norms and values, they have the obligation to say no and get out of there and report it. And if they are coerced, they need to report it immediately afterward so that steps can be taken to punish the offenders and help the victims.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

If you know of hazing and you are not a member of the Greek System, you should report your specific concerns (what organizations were involved, when it occurred, what occurred) of what you have heard to the campus Greek Adviser. Hazing is a felony crime in many states and against the honor code at every university.

I can't believe a group of women would voluntarily submit to being naked in front of a group of men to be touched and prodded while others members of their groups watch and heckle them. That just sounds too absurd, and I've dealt with too many campuses to believe that would happen.

I am not saying hazing doesn't occur, but that just sounds like a spread in Hustler.

And if anyone ever finds themselves being asked to do something that they know is wrong, or instinctively doesn't feel right, goes against their norms and values, they have the obligation to say no and get out of there and report it. And if they are coerced, they need to report it immediately afterward so that steps can be taken to punish the offenders and help the victims.

Just to follow adpiucf, here is just some of many sites that list definitions and/or examples of hazing.
And those who have been on RM know the disagreements we have had over some of them.
And we know that codes, rules and laws are different everywhere.
That said:
http://www.stophazing.org/definition.html
http://www.insidehazing.com/definitions.php

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by jon1856

For some reason, I stopped reading my morning paper in order to read most of your postings.
In several threads and topics.
My hat, if I was wearing one, is off to you. You are a great troll.
IMHO, you are repeating many stories that at some point in time may have accrued at some place or another. Once, perhaps even twice.
And in this day and age, there would be proof.
And in this day and age, reports would be made.
And as my chapters photographer, I have over 6,000 slides and negatives in my possession. Do they show drinking (and some other drugs)-yes. As would a GDI room or dorm at that time would.
Given todays technologies, anything you are posting about would be "out there".
Does hazing go on-YES!
This is from Cornell-NOTE where the word "false" is:
http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...criptions.html
http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...ngBlotter.html

Took me less time to find that site than to write most of my post.
So, here is your challenge:
Find sites that back-up your claims. ALL of them.

And BTB, the term I was taught to be correct: Fraternity, NOT "frat".

Point. Set. Match.

[ZTAMich]

Originally Posted by jon1856

\Does hazing go on-YES!
This is from Cornell-NOTE where the word "false" is:
http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...criptions.html
http://www.hazing.cornell.edu/incide...ngBlotter.html

Took me less time to find that site than to write most of my post.

I spent a decent amount of time at Cornell while I was in HS and my fresh. year of college as well. Witnessed some of these incidents myself. Crazy.

[MellySK]

Originally Posted by bluemay414

And be prepared to do A LOT of drinking! If you don't like to drink, this might be a huge problem for you in becoming a pledge. A LOT of Sororities and esp. Fraturnities will be making you drink a lot of alchohol. For real!

ok, hold up. I've been a greek member and an advisor, and I can say, at least from the groups i've dealt with, this is absolutley untrue! Is there drinking? Sure, i'm not going to gloss that over - but as a pledge i was NEVER forced to drink when I did not want to. And i've NEVER seen any of my sisters force other sisters to drink.

[bluemay414]

It does not matter whether I am or am not in a sorority. I am just stating the facts I know regardless. If you chose not to believe them, that is your choice. Not ALL sororities are like that, I will not say whether or not my boyfriend joined or not, I don't need a bunch of 'I know I'm right' people trying to shoot me down because I am 1) Not greek and bitter 2) Greek and a rat for 'telling' 3) Not Greek or Greek and unpopular and bitter for being that way etc. I may be neither, either or both, but I am telling you the facts the way I know it as an FYI for the innocent ones out there thinking of or going through rush. The "Best" is isn't always what you may think it is and trust me you may not want it. And if you do, well then, enjoy!

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by bluemay414

I am just stating the facts I know regardless.

No, you're repeating hearsay. There's a difference, as MysticCat has already pointed out to you.

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by bluemay414

It does not matter whether I am or am not in a sorority. I am just stating the facts I know regardless. If you chose not to believe them, that is your choice. Not ALL sororities are like that, I will not say whether or not my boyfriend joined or not, I don't need a bunch of 'I know I'm right' people trying to shoot me down because I am 1) Not greek and bitter 2) Greek and a rat for 'telling' 3) Not Greek or Greek and unpopular and bitter for being that way etc. I may be neither, either or both, but I am telling you the facts the way I know it as an FYI for the innocent ones out there thinking of or going through rush. The "Best" is isn't always what you may think it is and trust me you may not want it. And if you do, well then, enjoy!

No. Facts are concrete proof that you have failed to show. IF you can present us a video, pictures, notarized paperwork that shows this happening, then we might be inclined to believe you. As it stands, these so-called fat-circling parties and all this other crap is mainly B.S. or stories that through the years, have become urban legends.

As for your boyfriend, again, unless he can show actual proof beyond his word, then I'm calling BULLSHIT!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by bluemay414

It does not matter whether I am or am not in a sorority. I am just stating the facts I know regardless.

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

No, you're repeating hearsay. There's a difference, as MysticCat has already pointed out to you.

Exactly. You told us what your boyfriend told you. I'm not saying that he's lying, but I am saying that you cannot say that it did or didn't happen because you don't have personal knowledge -- i.e., you didn't observe it yourself. You may believe it happened, but you don't know that it happened.

I don't need a bunch of 'I know I'm right' people trying to shoot me down because . . . .

I never said I know I'm right about what might go on in some chapters. I've just said that, from your posts so far, there is no credible reason for me to think that you are right.

[bluemay414]

But whatever...

[BetteDavisEyes]

Originally Posted by bluemay414

But whatever...

I thought it was time for a good cat macro.

[REE1993]

Originally Posted by BetteDavisEyes

I thought it was time for a good cat macro.

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[AOII Angel]

Wow! Do you really believe that a sorority would make their NMs strip in front of a fraternity and let those men circle their fat?! I am SOOO sure!?! Hazing is a crime if you hadn't heard. If any sorority woman was dumb enough to inflict this kind of mental torture on one of her sisters, I can assure you she would not include a fraternity in the game. You think that every man there would keep their secret for them? I hardly think so. That chapter would be reported so fast and their charter yanked before you could say..."But...we're the 'popular' group!" Don't be such a follower! I would expect a college student to have more brains than that!

[bluemay414]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Wow! Do you really believe that a sorority would make their NMs strip in front of a fraternity and let those men circle their fat?! I am SOOO sure!?! Hazing is a crime if you hadn't heard. If any sorority woman was dumb enough to inflict this kind of mental torture on one of her sisters, I can assure you she would not include a fraternity in the game. You think that every man there would keep their secret for them? I hardly think so. That chapter would be reported so fast and their charter yanked before you could say..."But...we're the 'popular' group!" Don't be such a follower! I would expect a college student to have more brains than that!

sad but sorry it is true