right/wrong

[jessiwannabe]

well if you tell a person the same thing over and over again what else? I'm just saying hazing that is NOT Harmful or demeaning is not wrong to me

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jessiwannabe

well if you tell a person the same thing over and over again what else? I'm just saying hazing that is NOT Harmful or demeaning is not wrong to me

WTF DO YOU EXPECT US TO SAY??

Jesus......how the hell do I know what is or isn't demeaning or hurtful to you.

Frankly, I don't think making pledges clean the house, or go to study hall, or dress a certain way, or learn history and then grill them on it, or make them get up early on game days to prepare the house and run the bars, or anything else that is similar.... is in any way demeaning or hurtful.

[jessiwannabe]

You have to understand that if I is not going to kill you or demean you what is the problem. So you think that telling you to repeat your history is wrong and harmful? That's a form of hazing.

[jessiwannabe]

well I do understand it but some people take it to the extreme it may be wrong to make you clean and cook for me etc. It depends on the organization and what your limitations are not theirs. If you feel that it is wrong open your mouth and say something no one begged you to do this you went to them. Not to impose on other organizations but Black Greek letter organizations feel the need some times to make you prove yourself to them. It just depends. Putting your hands on me is harmful, making me eat something bad is harmful, making me drink until I pass out is harmful. If you don't know your limits how will they know? Sometimes you have to speak up no matter what the situation is. If you don't care they won't

[LPIDelta]

Wannabe--I am all for GOOD discussion, but this is something that has been debated ad nauseam and it is not likely that this time will lead to anything different. I would let this thread drop.

And I certainly don't intend to be mean, but I have a really hard time following your posts and arguments. That probably won't help either. I understand what you are trying to say, but I just see this turning into a train wreck.

[1908Revelations]

Originally Posted by OTW

Make sure you PM the AKAs when you transfer to Birmingham Southern or Samford so that they can expedite your intake process.

Thanks OTW you're the bestest (lol) ever!

I know several of my Sorors at BSC ans SU.

Jessi what is your major?

[jessiwannabe]

My major is Nursing and plan to also get a degree to teach nursing but my second passion is teaching history highschool maybe

[jessiwannabe]

I"m sorry to anyone to get so defensive but I feel really strong about this subject. No harm intended

[Animate]

Wow! Well put DeltAlum!

[jessiwannabe]

Well that's what you think. I already made up my mind I know it's off limits but if you scream and shout this is wrong you should have another plan. Don't talk about it be about it. If you don't have an idea of changing anything hush. The world don't give a hoot about how sensitive people are and especially black people. We have it harder to prove than anyone else out their.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by jessiwannabe

Well that's what you think. I already made up my mind I know it's off limits but if you scream and shout this is wrong you should have another plan. Don't talk about it be about it. If you don't have an idea of changing anything hush. The world don't give a hoot about how sensitive people are and especially black people. We have it harder to prove than anyone else out their.

Luckily all of our organizations have our own ways of selecting, educating and otherwise preparing our new members to become actives and we don't need your help crafting new ones.

Speaking of proving one's self, you'd do better with a grammar check.

[1908Revelations]

*Stepping on my soap box*

I prove myself worthy each and everyday! I work hard for myself, my family (no kids, just my parents and little brother), my church, the kids in the Birmingham school system, and for my Sorority. My chapter is an EAF platinum chapter in the South Eastern Region (the only undergraduate chapter if I am not mistaken). I proved myself worthy Saturday at Habitit for Humanity. I prove myself worthy when I choose to converse with members who have been in the sorority since 1972 and gain thier insight. I choose to read my history book, protocol, manual os standard procedure, and constutition and bylaws. When I went to rush my letter of interest showed what I have done along with my evidence of community service! I am also, Platform IV chairman and I have great ideas that my graduate advisor loves!

Members prove themselves daily....I know I do!

Was I beaten in.....NO! Do I know everything there is to know about Alpha Kappa Alpha....No, but I am willing to learn and I refresh my memory by educating myself and learning from seasoned members.
**Off of soap box**

Rethorical question: How do you prove yourself? You don't have to answer; just think about it to yourself.

Thank you.

ETA: Whew!

[macallan25]

Oh.......I dunno.......probably because we had a pledge fall out of a 5 story dorm room building and he had alcohol in his system.

Probably good cause for an investigation.

They have opened and closed several investigations and found no wrongdoing on any of our parts. We will be fine. It's a difficult and upsetting situation....no need for you to trivialize it for the sake of an argument.

[jessiwannabe]

Well I prove myself in moral ways, life ways ,and in public ways. The moral ways I try not to disrespect anyone no matter how much they might deserve it. I also prove myself by living above the norm that is set for our race and especially by being a female we have to work twice as hard. We are not supposed to be educated and I think I prove that everyday by going to class and making the best grade in class. I also talk to kids that are in high school because that is where you are most influenced by other people. I mainly talk about the stress that you could be put under by parents because my sister shot herself because she never thought she was good enough. I tell them never under any condition let someone tell you you're not good enough, because I know how that feels cause it hit close to home. I prove myself to be uplifting to others. My greatest joy is to see someone take my words and use them well and I see them later on and they are better off. I have a big heart for community change and willing to be a part of that change and say twenty years form now I've made a difference. Right now I am working on the mayor campaign cold calling and posting signs up to vote for Larry Langford!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hahahhaha

[DeltAlum]

We can all agree that there is no common definition of hazing, and we can all agree that some of the things that are called hazing are dumb. OK, stupid.

It just doesn't matter unless or until somebody can change that.

We break the rules, they file suits or arrest us or take our charters away.

Why play that game?

We don't hold the power here. We're nowhere close to a majority.

Breaking the law is not an option for us in the long term.