Too fat to recruit: or, DePauw, the Sequel

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wtf??? see this right here is some hot bullshit!!! behind the scenes???? wtf!!! see thats the difference between nphc sororities & npc org. nphc doesnt worry about the make up of the sorors, its all about the character of them, and what they are doing for the chapter, sorority, & community. hell, some of these supposed "fat" members of the npc orgs actually are good sisters and can be a valuable part of your respectives orgs, and not just behind the scenes, as you so put it.


and another thing...wit the numbers issue, what do ya'll consider a small chapter? and how is it that ya nationals is telling you to get more members??? shit i know chapters that would love to have just 5 pplz in it, let alone 20+. i mean, i'm Phi Beta Sigma man, so i'm used to seeing chapters with small numbers, like 1 or 2 pplz in there, and sometimes none for a few years. Only chapters that really have any type of numbers(20+) are grad chapters, and a few undergrad chapters here and there.

A lot of the issues come in with the difference with intake and recruitment. In NPC, it's all based on the groups trying to end up with the same number of new members, and groups that don't kind of look bad. Over time, if you're a lot smaller than the other groups, it looks like it's because the group is undesirable rather than selective.

Not all NPC chapters, even in the same national GLOs, do this kind of stuff, but some of the recruitments are really image driven.

It seems to me I remember people repeating rumors about historically there being a "brown paper bag test" for early membership in some NPHC groups. I'm not saying it was ever true, but I think it points out that image can be (or maybe was) an NPHC issue too.

[BlueNYC2]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

This isn't a bash NPC orgs thread. Also, I have met people from NPHC orgs who talk about who are the only members who get in because of who their parents are, so superficiality is NOT just limited to NPC.

Man...if they was Made, that legacy shit dont mean a damn thing...just cuz you're legacy, you still got to go thru your process, which dont make it any easier.

Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

A lot of the issues come in with the difference with intake and recruitment. In NPC, it's all based on the groups trying to end up with the same number of new members, and groups that don't kind of look bad. Over time, if you're a lot smaller than the other groups, it looks like it's because the group is undesirable rather than selective.

Not all NPC chapters, even in the same national GLOs, do this kind of stuff, but some of the recruitments are really image driven.

It seems to me I remember people repeating rumors about historically there being a "brown paper bag test" for early membership in some NPHC groups. I'm not saying it was ever true, but I think it points out that image can be (or maybe was) an NPHC issue too.

as far as the brown paper bag test...yes its true. well not my org, but there is one in particular, but its an ugly part of history, and one that was corrected decades ago. i mean we got certain stereotypes in the nphc for each individual org, but only a fool would actually base a decision off of that. and i still dont see the point in numbers....i'll take QUALITY over quantity anyday. but thats just me. if it just so happens that there are 20+ quality individuals in a particular chapter, thats wats up, if not, then thats a waste. but i'm lookin @ it from the outsiders perspective...ya'll do what ya'll do tho...i wouldnt...

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

Man...if they was Made, that legacy shit dont mean a damn thing...just cuz you're legacy, you still got to go thru your process, which dont make it any easier.



as far as the brown paper bag test...yes its true. well not my org, but there is one in particular, but its an ugly part of history, and one that was corrected decades ago. i mean we got certain stereotypes in the nphc for each individual org, but only a fool would actually base a decision off of that. and i still dont see the point in numbers....i'll take QUALITY over quantity anyday. but thats just me. if it just so happens that there are 20+ quality individuals in a particular chapter, thats wats up, if not, then thats a waste. but i'm lookin @ it from the outsiders perspective...ya'll do what ya'll do tho...i wouldnt...

There are people who say that these same practices, called colorism, are NOT practices of the past, and that they still occur today. So, just like there is ridiculous superficial behavior in NPC, so, too, is there such behavior in NPHC. Wherever we go, we are going to encounter STUPID people like that--it's just a fact of life. It's horrible, but it's the way it is. However, that doesn't mean we have to just sit back and take it, which is why so many of us on this thread completely disagree with the concept of hiding members to get more PNMs. Also, many organizations in the NPC feel the same way about numbers. Again, we have no idea what sorority this was or whether or not it was even true. All we know is that the practice of singling out sisters to intake more members is asinine.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

as far as the brown paper bag test...yes its true. well not my org, but there is one in particular, but its an ugly part of history, and one that was corrected decades ago. i mean we got certain stereotypes in the nphc for each individual org, but only a fool would actually base a decision off of that. and i still dont see the point in numbers....i'll take QUALITY over quantity anyday. but thats just me. if it just so happens that there are 20+ quality individuals in a particular chapter, thats wats up, if not, then thats a waste. but i'm lookin @ it from the outsiders perspective...ya'll do what ya'll do tho...i wouldnt...

Well, if hundreds (in some cases more than 1,000) of young women expressed interest in joining a group each year, but one group only attracted a few, some people might start wondering if the problem was the quality of the people showing interest or the quality of the people in the group. You know what I mean?

But please remember that not all chapters do this.

It's also really important to keep in mind that although people who have already joined can be involved life long in a PNC group, most people looking to join right out of high school don't look at it that way; they're more likely to be thinking it will be fun to have new friends and go to parties. So it's probably a more superficial process to that of NPHC groups generally.

[NutBrnHair]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

Thank you.

If a chapter doesn't pledge quota it means they've gone to the bottom of their bid list, which usually doesn't include all "quality" women.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

Amen.

ETA: I'll qualify that by agreeing that I agree with the statement in reference to large schools.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

Definitely signature-worthy.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

Quality over quantity is just an excuse for poor recruitment. Your chapter can have both if everyone works for it.

This is probably very true for fraternities because they can give out bids differently, and there's no stigma to year round rushing or having two pledge classes a year. You can even have summer rush parties and give bids before guys get to school.

NPC recruitment with quota and chapter total as well as incredibly structured formal rush during which you can't give bids until the end changes the game more than you might think. It's a little harder for the current group of members to make it all up in one recruitment or even a few years of working hard at recruitment if you're a group that girls don't go into recruitment knowing they'd join.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by BlueNYC2

wtf??? see this right here is some hot bullshit!!! behind the scenes???? wtf!!! see thats the difference between nphc sororities & npc org. nphc doesnt worry about the make up of the sorors, its all about the character of them, and what they are doing for the chapter, sorority, & community. hell, some of these supposed "fat" members of the npc orgs actually are good sisters and can be a valuable part of your respectives orgs, and not just behind the scenes, as you so put it.


and another thing...wit the numbers issue, what do ya'll consider a small chapter? and how is it that ya nationals is telling you to get more members??? shit i know chapters that would love to have just 5 pplz in it, let alone 20+. i mean, i'm Phi Beta Sigma man, so i'm used to seeing chapters with small numbers, like 1 or 2 pplz in there, and sometimes none for a few years. Only chapters that really have any type of numbers(20+) are grad chapters, and a few undergrad chapters here and there.

Would you put a brother who had no rhythm on the step team?

Probably not.

[If it's not called a step team, I apologize for my ignorance. I'm doing the best I can. Hopefully you know what I mean.]

[33girl]

Well, say she and the other fat/fugly/what have you girls stay away from rush. The sorority does great with their "new image" and gets a pledge class full of adorable girls.

Then when those adorable girls show up for bid day, they notice that there are 1) sorority members that they haven't met before 2) most of those members are less attractive than the members who rushed them.

What are these new girls going to think? Don't you think they'll feel more than a bit taken, hoodwinked, bamboozled, etc? I would.

AnchorAlumna, what if this girl has a sparkling personality and tells the funniest stories ever and can put any rushee at ease? What if the "pretty" girls are bumps on logs? I wonder if the national consultant looked at that.

[MSKKG]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Well, say she and the other fat/fugly/what have you girls stay away from rush. The sorority does great with their "new image" and gets a pledge class full of adorable girls.

Then when those adorable girls show up for bid day, they notice that there are 1) sorority members that they haven't met before 2) most of those members are less attractive than the members who rushed them.

What are these new girls going to think? Don't you think they'll feel more than a bit taken, hoodwinked, bamboozled, etc? I would.

AnchorAlumna, what if this girl has a sparkling personality and tells the funniest stories ever and can put any rushee at ease? What if the "pretty" girls are bumps on logs? I wonder if the national consultant looked at that.

Just a thought: What if your "fat/fugly/what have you girls" are Rho Gammas? They would show up at Bid Day, too. They may have met some of the NMs but not all. Are all Rho Gammas volunteers or do their GLOs choose them?

[kathykd2005]

Originally Posted by MSKKG

Just a thought: What if your "fat/fugly/what have you girls" are Rho Gammas? They would show up at Bid Day, too. They may have met some of the NMs but not all. Are all Rho Gammas volunteers or do their GLOs choose them?

That's another story--unfortunately, some are voted on, and can be forced into the duty by a chapter, too.

[couggirl]

Originally Posted by hmd1014

Now she's heartbroken and wondering whether she should turn in her badge. (Another active has already resigned.)

It sounds like it is not just this one girl but at least two, if not more. But i would agree that before coming to a conclusion I would like to know the whole story. To some degree it sounds like this girl could have decided that weight was an issue, when it could have been numerous issues. We just don't know.

[HawaiiTKE]

I can't imagine that happening. WOW. That sucks. =/

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by HawaiiTKE

I can't imagine that happening. WOW. That sucks. =/

Good Lord. This thread is 4 years old and the perp decided to comment.