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				06-08-2007, 04:19 PM
			
			
			
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					Originally Posted by mulattogyrl  Actually, I've heard this too. Someone I know got hers done that way. |  
In retrospect, I really wish I would  have had it done at the time my son was born.  We were about 98% sure we didn't want to have any more children...the other 2% was just me thinking "well, what if I only think  I don't want more kids b/c I'm just sick of being pregnant right now?" 
 
If I'd had it done at the time of my last c-section, it would have been a medically simple procedure that might have added an extra $200 or so to our total bill.  Now, either my husband or I will have to go through a surgical procedure (as opposed to having it done in the middle of a surgery I was already having anyhow), and  we'll have to fork over a couple grand for it.     
One of my best friends had it done during a c-section last fall.  (She already had 2 daughters and then had a son in August - she definitely knew she didn't want any more kids.  Probably would have stopped at 2, but they really wanted to try for a boy.  lol)
 
Anyhow, drolefille, that's more what I was getting at with the initial comment - this girl probably shouldn't be having any more kids.  (Each birth becomes more of a medical risk for her, not to mention that she has 1 in 5 odds of a future pregnancy being twins again according to the article I read.)  The medical risks for her and also the expense would be lower if the doctor did it during the c-section.  The hint, hint comment was referencing that since the state is already paying for her 7 kids, maybe she should get the hint that its not fair to add more kids to the state's financial burden.  Not a hint, hint  to the doctor to do it whether or not she consents.
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				06-08-2007, 01:46 PM
			
			
			
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					Originally Posted by susan314  Note - in case I wasn't clear the first time, I didn't mean that the doctor should do a tubal without her consent. (given that it would be illegal and unethical for a physician to do)
 |  yeah it would be, although there are plenty of women who need to STOP GETTING PREGNANT! it is truly harder to get pregnant than to prevent it! i have a cousin (distant) who has had 8 children by 8 men while she was a cracked out prostitute. if ANYONE needs to stop having kids, she is on that list! and the worst part? she hasnt raised a single one. everytime she has the child and the doctors realize she used crack while pregnant, they lock her up and take the baby. 3 are in foster care, one died (SIDS), and 4 were adopted. she gets out in enough time to find some crack and start all over. oh, did i mention she's only 33?
  
if u like kids, have them. if you cant take care of them, dont.
		 
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				06-08-2007, 05:27 PM
			
			
			
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					Originally Posted by susan314  Note - in case I wasn't clear the first time, I didn't mean that the doctor should do a tubal without her consent.  (given that it would be illegal and unethical for a physician to do) |  yes, that would SRSLY be straight out of the Handmaid's Tale or Brave New World.....    |  
	
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				06-08-2007, 09:29 PM
			
			
			
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			Soon she'll be competition for Michelle Duggar...*shudder*
		 
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				06-08-2007, 09:36 PM
			
			
			
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					Originally Posted by susan314  Note - in case I wasn't clear the first time, I didn't mean that the doctor should do a tubal without her consent.  (given that it would be illegal and unethical for a physician to do)
 I've had 2 c-sections, and its easy for the doctor to do while he's in there with minimal additional expense (since he's already in the general area anyhow) - hopefully her doctor encouraged her to consider that option.  (I know that my doctor told me during my 2nd pregnancy that if I was ever planning to have a tubal, it would be easy for him to do during my scheduled c-section.)
 |  Thanks for the clarification.  Too many people suggest things like that seriously.  I agree that she shouldn't be having children without the ability to pay for them, but the article doesn't give the full story.  The assumption that "dad" isn't working because the state takes care of him is pretty groundless without more information.  
 
I've actually heard that getting a tubal post C-Section is less effective than as a seperate procedure.  Something about your body being more likely to heal itself post-partum or something like that.
 
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					Originally Posted by CutiePie2000  yes, that would SRSLY be straight out of the Handmaid's Tale or Brave New World.....   |  Yeah tell me about it.  Unfortunately it's happened.  If you want a tubal when on medicaid you have to submit a written request at least 3 months in advance.  (At least in some states) This is to prevent doctors from taking the opportunity and running with it.
		 
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			I think some girls/women think it is cute to get pregnant and have babies. If you are responsible you can avoid unwanted pregnancies. What kind of mother would want their child to live in poverty and have a good possibility of staying in poverty. 
 I'm sorry, but I really cringe when I hear people say they have an unplanned pregancy. You obviously planned something...
 
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			the Duggars are an example of how to do it right. true, they are a bit different from most families, but you never get the idea that any of those children are neglected in any way. they look clean, fed, and happy, and to me that is what matters the most. oh, and their good behavior doesnt hurt either!
 imo, it is irresponsible to bring children into the world and not be able to take care of the ones you already have. i understand that condoms break, the pill isnt 100%, but you have to at least TRY SOMETHING to stop it from happening again!
 
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			Or, if you are having a child you cannot care for, consider adoption. I have far too many friends who would make wonderful mothers who are infertile.
		 
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			^^very true. its sad how those who want it the most suffer the most. there's no need for any child to suffer, someone somewhere will take it. even the ones with problems. i saw a show about a family that had adopted around 14 kids and all of them were special needs children. those children were the happiest ones i think i ever saw...
		 
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					Originally Posted by SWTXBelle  Or, if you are having a child you cannot care for, consider adoption. I have far too many friends who would make wonderful mothers who are infertile. |  As an adoptive mom to a beautiful 4-year old son, I heartily agree with you!
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