NPHC BGLO's how do you feel about non NPHC BGLO's

[DSTRen13]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I was a Brownie. The worst thing ever. It served as nothing but a reinforcement of gender stereotypes and expectations. Maybe that was just my Brownie leaders who sucked.

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SERIOUSLY! I have several friends who had great experiences with Girl Scouts, but we didn't go camping or learn survival skills or anything --- they had the Mary Kay ladies come and teach us how to "properly" care for our skin!!! (We were in elementary school, and we were supposed to have a whole facial regimen? For real?) I think we may have also learned how to sew or something ...

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[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DSTRen13

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SERIOUSLY! I have several friends who had great experiences with Girl Scouts, but we didn't go camping or learn survival skills or anything --- they had the Mary Kay ladies come and teach us how to "properly" care for our skin!!! (We were in elementary school, and we were supposed to have a whole facial regimen? For real?) I think we may have also learned how to sew or something ...

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Yay!!! Gender lives on!!!

[Virtuous Woman]

I tend to explain this as Delta is a service-minded social sorority. OPhiA is a sometimes-social service sorority. The first priority is different. As you have stated, with Delta, the service aspect cannot be accomplished without sisterhood. With OPhiA, the sisterhood cannot be accomplished without service.

That is the best explanation of the differences that I've ever heard. Thanks!

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I have no idea since I know nothing about APO, except what I have read here,nor do I care to know. But one may be that you started as Boy Scouts and we didn't.

(at Scouting) Good point. I only asked b/c I always figured if the true intent of our orgs was to serve in some capacity, there should be/have been a lot less inter-org disputes about trivial matters that had nothing to do with the reason why our respective orgs exist.

btw, THAT was, is, and has ALWAYS been my platform ever since I joined Greekchat.

btw, came from a Scouting family--father an Eagle Scout, Order of the Arrow and troop leader, mother a GS troop leader, me from Brownie all the way through MAriner Scout--camp counselor and troop leader. So I am not knocking Scouting.

Good deal!! At least I get spared from the "ManScout" jokes from you *lol* (not that it had ever bothered me, but still....

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

btw, THAT was, is, and has ALWAYS been my platform ever since I joined Greekchat.

Liar.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Liar.

No, that is actually very much true, although my platform nowadays has been altered somewhat. My platform now is moreso on diversity, not the shallow tolerance/tokenism you oftentimes see, but a true embracement and respect of cultures different from our own. I think each culture has something valuable they can learn from another culture.

My other platform is on male empowerment (which I'm sure you remember, though IMO I have toned down considerably from the old days).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

No, that is actually very much true, although my platform nowadays has been altered somewhat. My platform now is moreso on diversity, not the shallow tolerance/tokenism you oftentimes see, but a true embracement and respect of cultures different from our own. I think each culture has something valuable they can learn from another culture.

My other platform is on male empowerment (which I'm sure you remember, though IMO I have toned down considerably from the old days).

Running for Kappa office?

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Running for Kappa office?

I already hold a Kappa office. But thanks for asking.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

(at Scouting) Good point. I only asked b/c I always figured if the true intent of our orgs was to serve in some capacity, there should be/have been a lot less inter-org disputes about trivial matters that had nothing to do with the reason why our respective orgs exist.

Again read the history on who was founded to do public service. And not to offend the other NPHCers, but for most of them the idea of being a service organization is relatively new--like in the last two decades.

Don't get me wrong, I am glad that is now the emphasis for all of us, but it wasn't always. So thus the rivalrys that existed and in some places are hard to break.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I have no idea since I know nothing about APO, except what I have read here,nor do I care to know. But one may be that you started as Boy Scouts and we didn't.

btw, came from a Scouting family--father an Eagle Scout, Order of the Arrow and troop leader, mother a GS troop leader, me from Brownie all the way through MAriner Scout--camp counselor and troop leader. So I am not knocking Scouting.

Fair enough. And my knowledge of DST is largely limited to books (though relevant books on the NPHC).

However I will say that my wife has commented that the school where she went (Frostburg State) had DST and a certain NPHC sorority older than DST and that DST was the one that was actually willing to talk to her during the organizational fair given that she is caucasian.

I didn't have any of the NPHC GLOs at my College... (Carnegie-Mellon)

Quite a scouting family!

[naraht]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

(at bolded) So what are the core elements that separates Delta from Alpha Phi Omega if both are about brother/sisterhood and [public] service?

A very good question. I think there are certain things that members of both could agree on that are part of their history. For APO, its historical tie to Boy Scouts of America and for DST, its historical tie to the African American Community.

DST has community chapters (I think all of the NPHC do, but I'm not sure) that allow women to join after college. APO's alumni associations can't do that.

I don't know if the changes in membership intake process in the 1990s to limit pledging represents a significant difference or not.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by naraht

(I think all of the NPHC do, but I'm not sure)

Correct.

Originally Posted by naraht

I don't know if the changes in membership intake process in the 1990s to limit pledging represents a significant difference or not.

Why would it?