Politics 2008:The Caucuses and The Dem/Rep Conventions

[KAPPAtivating]

Originally Posted by Confucius

^^^I'm SAYIN..Can you imagine if one of Obama's daughter's turned up pregnant and unmarried It would have been over!!!

Hell, it would have been EXPECTED...

[Confucius]

Palin makes Obama terrorist claim
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Sarah Palin accuses Obama of associating with 'a domestic terrorist'

US Republican vice-presidential nominee Sarah Palin has accused the Democratic presidential candidate, Barack Obama, of associating with terrorists.

She said he had been "palling around" with an ex-member of US-based militant group Weather Underground, which opposed the Vietnam War in the 1960s.

Mr Obama once served on a charity board with a member of the group, but he has denounced its activities.

A Democratic spokesman accused the Republicans of gutter politics.

"What's clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy," Hari Sevugan said.

Commentators say Mrs Palin's attack forms part of a broader Republican strategy to attack Mr Obama's character.

Denunciation

Speaking to supporters in Colorado and later in a Los Angeles suburb, Alaska Governor Palin said the time had come to take the gloves off.


Quoting a New York Times article, she attacked Senator Obama over his link to Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground, which waged a violent campaign against the Vietnam War.

The group was blamed for a number of bombings in the US in the 1960s.

Mrs Palin described Mr Obama as someone who saw the US "as being so imperfect... he is palling around with terrorists who would target their own country".

Mr Obama served on a charity board several years ago with Mr Ayers, who is now a professor at the University of Illinois.

The White House hopeful, who was a child when Weather Underground was active, has denounced Mr Ayers' radical past.

Focus on healthcare

The Alaska governor also said she wished the McCain campaign had not this week pulled out of the battleground state of Michigan, effectively conceding it to the Democrats.

Mr Obama meanwhile attacked the healthcare plans of Republican presidential nominee John McCain.

Speaking to some 18,000 people at a rally in Virginia, Senator Obama described the Arizona senator's policy as "radical" and claimed 20 million people would be left out by it.

HAVE YOUR SAY I'm a McCain supporter, but Palin really needs to fire the person who told her to say that J Young, USA

A spokesman for Mr McCain, who is in his home state preparing for Tuesday's second presidential debate, said that was "a bald-faced lie".

Healthcare is important to voters and the Obama campaign has unveiled new adverts attacking Mr McCain on the issue in every battleground state.

Mr Obama's Virginia rally came ahead of a Monday deadline for voters to register there and in more than a dozen other states, including Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana and Florida.

Voter turnout could be vital in deciding the outcome of the 4 November presidential election.

Meanwhile, viewing figures show a record 69.9 million people tuned in to watch Mrs Palin take part in Thursday's televised vice-presidential debate with Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...as/7653132.stm

Published: 2008/10/05 11:57:13 GMT

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Oh Great! Now Obama was a Child Terrorist! Barack was born in 1961...so...how exactly did he participate. From this point on, the Republicans have gone too far.

[mccoyred]

Frankly, my expectation of her was so low that as long as she showed up, she improved in my book. You could tell that most of her answers were scripted. When she had to veer off her talking points, she threw in Alaska (I cringe every time she says the word!) or some nonsensical phrase or just repeats what she just said. She did have that deer in the headlights look a few times - global warming, Afghanistan, healthcare. This woman should be nowhere near the button.

OTOH, Joey hit it out of the park. He took it to McSame because he was there in the Senate and he KNEW the real deal; Palin had no clue about McSame's voting record! He also refused to cede her the working class or working parent playing field; his moment about his son's was genuine. He did have to pull himself together and restrain himself from calling her a flat out liar after she basically called him one. You remember the exchange about the general in Afghanistan? Apparently she got his name wrong but I will need to see the fact check to see who got the story right because I don't know myself.

ETA: Here is one fact check...http://news.aol.com/political-machin...e-pesky-facts/ ...she DID lie!

All in all, it was worth staying up and having to take a midday nap...

[jitterbug13]

The only things they can tie Obama with Ayers is that they were in this committee together and that they live in the same neighborhood. The Rev. Wright thing eventually failed, so do they think this is going to work?

This is what happens when they let the moose loose (thanks Mom for the quote!). Her and McSame need to GTHOOH.

[KAPPAtivating]

This is a sad last-ditch effort to take the spotlight of Governor Palin's lack of preparation and national experience. She has been backed into a corner and is doing her best to come out swinging (or slinging I should say) whatever anyone will listen to. So desperate and ineffective...

[SummerChild]

I guess her rep didn't tell her that the association with that org had already come out about back in the spring or so before he even beat Hillary in delegates towards the nomination. In typical fashion, Sarah Palin wasn't paying attention to what was going on in the rest of the country, I guess. We know that she wasn't paying attention to Bush's preemption policy in 2004, and he was the President and a member of her own party.

This just plays up again the fact that she is so out of her league and ill-prepared that it really just boggles the mind.

SC

Originally Posted by KAPPAtivating

This is a sad last-ditch effort to take the spotlight of Governor Palin's lack of preparation and national experience. She has been backed into a corner and is doing her best to come out swinging (or slinging I should say) whatever anyone will listen to. So desperate and ineffective...

[jitterbug13]

That grumpy old man needs to sit down somewhere!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081006/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

He truly forgot that he has come out with a book or two himself. And let's not forget Keating Five or Libby.

[06pilot]

Sarah Palin is Governor of a State with 600,000 people. My city has 3 million people in it. She is not ready to lead the country.

This race is getting very exciting. The debates last nighgt were great and Obama did well.My only issue with Obama was his lack of defense experience. But Ithink he handled it very well and I think he is ready to be a Commander in Chief. As someone who has fought in Iraq, I agree with him that we need to send more troops to Afghanistan. They are hurting overthere and need some help. Iraq is getting better.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

My only issue with Obama was his lack of defense experience. But Ithink he handled it very well and I think he is ready to be a Commander in Chief. As someone who has fought in Iraq, I agree with him that we need to send more troops to Afghanistan. They are hurting overthere and need some help. Iraq is getting better.

I am just curious but what additional defense or military experience does he need? He serves on the Senate Foreign Relations, Veterans Affairs and Homeland Security Committees (per his Senate page), he has traveled to 17 countries (I recently read somewhere), and his VP/running mate/governing partner is one of the preeminent voices in foreign affairs. The only way he could have more military or defense experience is to have been in the military himself. However, four out of the last 5 presidents (my personal memory only goes back to J Carter) did NOT have military or foreign relations experience.

I know you say that you think he is ready to be CinC but every time someone brings up the experience argument, I would like to know the reasoning behind the statement. Thanks!

[06pilot]

Jimmy Carter was in the Navy, Ronald Reagan was in the Air Corps(although he worked in public affairs) , GF Bush was in the Navy, and GW Bush was in the Air National Guard (although he never saw combat)

But you are right. Franklin Roosevelt was never inthe military (he was Sec of thr Navy) and he took us through the biggest war this country has ever seen.

What I meant by my statement is that to me, because I am in the military, I want my Commander in Chief to at least have some idea of what I go through before they make decisions that affect me and my family. I agree that Obama will have advisors and I am sure he will consult his advisors. Something GW Bush didnt do.

[Honeykiss1974]

http://www.thatone08.com/

Priceless... Shirts available for those interested.

[SummerChild]

06,
I am curious to know how you feel about John McCain's p-sspoor performance at the military academy that he attended and then his poor performance while in the service, replete with accidents galore. Does the fact that McCain was in the military alone make you believe that he can understand or would you require someone with slightly better military-related performance?

Just curious,
SC

ETA: Personally, I think it might be time for another Prez W/OUT military experience. Those presidencies seem to be the only ones when we are not wrapped up in a war (at least recently). Think Desert Storm, Iraq, etc. Maybe a Prez W/OUT military experience would be less inclined to send you into harm's way 06pilot.

Originally Posted by 06pilot

Jimmy Carter was in the Navy, Ronald Reagan was in the Air Corps(although he worked in public affairs) , GF Bush was in the Navy, and GW Bush was in the Air National Guard (although he never saw combat)

But you are right. Franklin Roosevelt was never inthe military (he was Sec of thr Navy) and he took us through the biggest war this country has ever seen.

What I meant by my statement is that to me, because I am in the military, I want my Commander in Chief to at least have some idea of what I go through before they make decisions that affect me and my family. I agree that Obama will have advisors and I am sure he will consult his advisors. Something GW Bush didnt do.

[mccoyred]

Originally Posted by 06pilot

Jimmy Carter was in the Navy, Ronald Reagan was in the Air Corps(although he worked in public affairs) , GF Bush was in the Navy, and GW Bush was in the Air National Guard (although he never saw combat)

But you are right. Franklin Roosevelt was never inthe military (he was Sec of thr Navy) and he took us through the biggest war this country has ever seen.

What I meant by my statement is that to me, because I am in the military, I want my Commander in Chief to at least have some idea of what I go through before they make decisions that affect me and my family. I agree that Obama will have advisors and I am sure he will consult his advisors. Something GW Bush didnt do.

Thanks for the info; I did not know about Carter's or Reagan's military service. As far as I am concerned Bush 43 is a draft dodger.

How do you evaluate McCain's stance, not just his words but his record? He has served and so have/are his son's, father and grandfather. Yet he receives a worse rating from vets groups than Obama, he voted against many bills for troop and vet funding AND appeared reckless in launching our curent wars.

[Confucius]

^^^^LMAO....That is a great way to counter McCain's childish behavior during the second debate. That T-Shirt is awesome...

[jitterbug13]

Love it!!!!