Northern Woman Getting Bids at an SEC School

[NUBlue&Blue]

"Here's something to throw in the mix. The Georgia Hope scholarship has made it harder on GA girls going through Recruitment at Bama and probably elsewhere as well. Chapters have been "burned" by pledging GA girls who: 1) Only attend long enough to get their grades up enough to transfer back home for the free tuition. 2) After a year of paying out of state tuition Mom and Dad tell her they can't afford it or simply don't want to pay it anymore and she must move back home because it's free".

Auburn and Alabama are also not getting the best girls from Georgia, either, because these are the girls that can't get into UGA and it's their back up school. A lot of the girls going to Bama, Missippippi and Auburn from our HS couldn't qualify for HOPE anyway, and may or may not ever get their grades up. But they definitely aren't getting Georgia's top students.

[Elephant Walk]

Phi Delt pledged a guy from Jersey...and he was like a typical Jersey kid. I think he must of had connections because there is no way we would have pledged a guy from the north, furthermore from that state.

[kathykd2005]

I'm not really sure why it is so shocking that someone from the north may want to go to a school in the South. I am myself from NY, and I went to college in Charlotte, NC. One reason a lot of people decide to go to southern schools as opposed to northern ones is because they are often a lot cheaper. Particularly with reference to private colleges, the difference in tuition is exponential (I know this because I worked for my school's Admissions office for four years). I had no prior connection to my southern university--I was simply recruited well. Also, with reference to my Greek experience, many of the Panhellenic sororities on my campus recruited northern women, because they recognized traits in these women that they sought to add to their sisterhood. I'm actually somewhat surprised that where someone is from has anything to do with whether or not they will be recruited by certain organizations.

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by kathykd2005

I'm not really sure why it is so shocking that someone from the north may want to go to a school in the South. I am myself from NY, and I went to college in Charlotte, NC. One reason a lot of people decide to go to southern schools as opposed to northern ones is because they are often a lot cheaper. Particularly with reference to private colleges, the difference in tuition is exponential (I know this because I worked for my school's Admissions office for four years). I had no prior connection to my southern university--I was simply recruited well. Also, with reference to my Greek experience, many of the Panhellenic sororities on my campus recruited northern women, because they recognized traits in these women that they sought to add to their sisterhood. I'm actually somewhat surprised that where someone is from has anything to do with whether or not they will be recruited by certain organizations.

I am also from your area. I decided to go to the University of Florida because it has one of the best broadcast journalism programs in the country. And.. you can't beat the weather!

When I went through rush, I found most of the sororities were completely open to women from anywhere. There were only two out of all of them at the time which looked for southerners.. one was comprised of very "deep south" women (ala "The Southern Belle Primer") and another sorority that seemed to take in only women from in-state. I checked that chapter's website out of curiosity not too long ago for the members and their hometowns, and sure enough.. they're still all from Florida.

It wasn't until I moved to Florida that I realized for the first time that some people haven't gotten word yet that the civil war is over.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Phi Delt pledged a guy from Jersey...and he was like a typical Jersey kid. I think he must of had connections because there is no way we would have pledged a guy from the north, furthermore from that state.

Hm, it may be interesting to learn from others instead of being In Bred so to speak!

It is a lot bigger wolrd than you may think!

That is why I Talk via Phone dailey with Members of other GLOs besides mine.

Expand or be a ????

Live and learn, You may live in NJ some day!

Learn the Lingo!

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Hm, it may be interesting to learn from others instead of being In Bred so to speak!

It is a lot bigger wolrd than you may think!

That is why I Talk via Phone dailey with Members of other GLOs besides mine.

Expand or be a ????

Live and learn, You may live in NJ some day!

Learn the Lingo!

Mr. Earp, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

If I had to live in Jersey, I would rather become a slave somewhere in Mississippi than move there. "Dailey" is spelled "daily" and "In Bred" is one word, "inbred". I spend wayy too much time talking to members of other GLO's besides mine, seeing as I my graduating high school class was over 1/5 my graduating class was Greek (excluding hispanics and blacks, who do not have a chance of primarily white GLO's...no offense, that's how it is in the south, i'm not going to justify it). Learn what lingo man?

[blueangel]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Phi Delt pledged a guy from Jersey...and he was like a typical Jersey kid. I think he must of had connections because there is no way we would have pledged a guy from the north, furthermore from that state.

So you don't like people from the Channel Islands? Why not? They have charming British accents.

[alum]

Isn't it more difficult to get into a state school as an out-of-state (OOS) student vs an instate (ISS) assuming that the national rankings are relatively close? So even if a Georgia girl doesn't get the Hope Scholarship, wouldn't it still be easier and cheaper for her to go to UGa or GaTech vs OOS to Ole Miss/Alabama etc?

North Carolina has it mandated through the state legislature that no more than 15-18% of students at each public university (to include the flagship, Chapel Hill) can be OOS. I think that's great for NC residents. After all, state taxes are partially used to subsidize the public school system. Most of the people in VA wish our commonwealth would legislate the maximum percentage of OOSers at our public colleges and universities, but the politicians in Charlottesville haven't done so.

Originally Posted by NUBlue&Blue

Auburn and Alabama are also not getting the best girls from Georgia, either, because these are the girls that can't get into UGA and it's their back up school. A lot of the girls going to Bama, Missippippi and Auburn from our HS couldn't qualify for HOPE anyway, and may or may not ever get their grades up. But they definitely aren't getting Georgia's top students.

[NUBlue&Blue]

Totally depends on the school.

Yes, it's cheaper to go to UGA or Tech, but they aren't getting in because the HOPE has made the admissions much more competitive for in state students. Students who would've gone out of state or private are staying here. It is getting to be "big d@mn deal" to get into UGA these days. Plenty of people my age who went there say they could never get in now. This opinion is totally anecdotal, but at our HS, if you can't get into UGA, you go to Auburn/Alabama/OleMiss, not the other way around.

To get in to UNC-Chapel Hill or UVA, you need to be in the high 1400's to 1500 and in the top one or two in your class. We've had 3 from our HS get into UNC the last two years and only one get into UVA. I've heard UT-Austin is difficult, too, but not too many people head that far out from our HS.

[UF56]

The same thing is occurring in Florida because of our Bright Futures scholarship. I have taught HS for the past three years and have noticed every year that is it is harder for the students to get into UF. I haven't noticed the trend with FSU but I am sure it is happening. This past year the valedictorian and salutitorian did not get into UF however they did get into FSU. The sad thing is that they both had like 4.5's and over 1400 on their SATS as well as tons of volunteering and extracirriculars. I think more and more Florida students are going to Auburn. I know quite a few girls who have gone without recs and have become Phi Mus and DZs. But sometimes I think SEC schools consider students from SEC states as locals and not necessairly the same as someone from say New York.

[alum]

Interesting...We know lots of Virginians who didn't get into UVa &/or William and Mary who end up going to Penn State (the one in State College) instead of the next level of VA schools of Tech, JMU, now GMU etc. I have no idea if they try to transfer back or not. Luckily my D's friends who wanted a large instate public school were accepted to the schools of their choice.

I hear a lot of parents of college aged kids say they could never get accepted to their alma mater (no matter if it's public or private) based on today's standards. I do alumni interviews for my undergraduate school's admissions as does my H for his and we are both truly impressed at what is in these hs applicants' resumes.

I can't imagine that Chapel Hill/Berkeley/Ann Arbor being much different than UVa and W&M....These are why these schools are in top rankings of the country. Based on the way my neighbors speak, I think they would gladly downgrade the national ranking of our flagship public schools if it would mean more instate kids would be admitted.

Originally Posted by NUBlue&Blue

Totally depends on the school.

Yes, it's cheaper to go to UGA or Tech, but they aren't getting in because the HOPE has made the admissions much more competitive for in state students. Students who would've gone out of state or private are staying here. It is getting to be "big d@mn deal" to get into UGA these days. Plenty of people my age who went there say they could never get in now. This opinion is totally anecdotal, but at our HS, if you can't get into UGA, you go to Auburn/Alabama/OleMiss, not the other way around.

To get in to UNC-Chapel Hill or UVA, you need to be in the high 1400's to 1500 and in the top one or two in your class. We've had 3 from our HS get into UNC the last two years and only one get into UVA. I've heard UT-Austin is difficult, too, but not too many people head that far out from our HS.

[BamaDad DZ]

We have many students from Northern Virginia heading South for college. Many spend a semester or two away, build up their GPA. then transfer into schools like the University of Virginia or William & Mary. Coming from high schools in Northern Virginia, we actually have a set a quota for students from Fairfax, Loudon, Prince William and Fauqier counties in relation to the remainder of the Commonwealth.

My daughter had decent SAT scores, grades, extracurriculars, etc., but chose to apply only at the University of Alabama after being on campus four hours! No University of Virginia, Virginia Tech, Williams & Mary, or George Mason University for her - with all due respect to those fine schools. She felt a university from the Deep South with its lure of a traditional Greek system, great football history and tradition, architecture, Southern people, among other reasons, was for her.

Fairfax High School sent nine students to Bama last year, although I believe three went this year. We personally know several students the past few years who went to Auburn And I discovered that several more are heading further south to my alma mater of the University of South Florida, which is growing by leaps and bounds.

Lots of reasons to head to Dixie....

[alum]

Originally Posted by BamaDad DZ

We have many students from Northern Virginia heading South for college. Many spend a semester or two away, build up their GPA. then transfer into schools like the University of Virginia or William & Mary. Coming from high schools in Northern Virginia, we actually have a set a quota for students from Fairfax, Loudon, Prince William and Fauqier counties in relation to the remainder of the Commonwealth.

Fairfax High School sent nine students to Bama last year, although I believe three went this year. ...Lots of reasons to head to Dixie....

Northern VA is so much different than the rest of VA. As a broad generalization, it is is much more multicultural, politically liberal, highly educated, densely populated than areas outside the counties mentioned above. This is not necessarily a good thing, but it is what it is.

This is reflected in the students that come from the area. They are driven, hard-charging kids just like their parents.

State schools want the student bodies to represent the entire state not just one area. I wouldn't resent a student from the Norfolk area taking "my kid's spot" assuming they had the same raw score assessed to their application package but I certainly would be angry if it was an OOS applicant.

In terms of where kids go OOS from VA especially to a different state's public school, I think much has to do with the guidance and career offices at the schools. Fairfax HS clearly has a relationship now with UA. The Alabama admissions office is seeing the performance of these former Virginians in relation to the student body.

For some reason my neighborhood's local FCPS high school routinely sends between 4-6 kids every year to the University of Montana. I know one student is going there for the film school (apparently Robert Redford and Sundance have given a lot of $ to the department) but no idea on the rest.