Your Thoughts: Day Without Immigrants-Boycott - Page 5

AKA2D '91 · #1 05-04-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Plus their are loopholes. In most states, you don't need a liscense to buy a car (especially if you're paying cash),. Places like SallieMae, Freddie Mac and banks DO give out home loans to undocumented/illegal immigrants.

BUT, they will give a Bumqueesha or De'Ante (hard working, honest citizens) a hard time when they try to obtain a home loan.

Also, some illegal immigrants find shelter with their legal family members. They sometimes 2 or more families residing in one home.

ETA: as was already mentioned...

HXNUPE3 · #2 05-04-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
It is not unusual to see Latinos, whether here legally or not, live two and three families to a residence so one fam can save money and branch out.

But is that legal? Could you or I do that and not get prosecuted by a slew of city, county and state agencies?

Steeltrap · #3 05-04-2006, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by Wonderful1908
I agree, and it will eventually "solve" itself. Mainly by continuing to be this way it is now. The census predicts that Hispanic (who are not all the illegal immigrants) will be the almost on their way to being the majority by 2050.

That prediction is dead-on and definitely will come true in California before 2050. I live in OC, which is considered the bastion of Caucasians, but the Latino population is closing in fast.

Steeltrap · #4 05-04-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by HXNUPE3
But is that legal? Could you or I do that and not get prosecuted by a slew of city, county and state agencies?

I am not a lawyer or a homeowner, so take this with a grain of salt.

Some communities have passed ordinances restricting the number of people who can live in a house. On the other hand, many municipalities have very limited resources in terms of enforcement of things and prefer to concentrate on violent crime, if you're going to use police.

And the only way you can get a homeowner out of a house, I'd think, is through foreclosure.

AKA2D '91 · #5 05-04-2006, 11:29 AM

That's why the establishment of the Tri-Caucus will be very interesting if all groups can unite locally, first Af Ams need to be on one accord.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...ghlight=caucus

Honeykiss1974 · #6 05-04-2006, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
I am not a lawyer or a homeowner, so take this with a grain of salt.

Some communities have passed ordinances restricting the number of people who can live in a house. On the other hand, many municipalities have very limited resources in terms of enforcement of things and prefer to concentrate on violent crime, if you're going to use police.

And the only way you can get a homeowner out of a house, I'd think, is through foreclosure.

You're are right. In addition, I know most apartment complexes have restrictions as to how many people can live in an apartment (ex. no more than 2 in a one bedroom, etc.) as well.

mccoyred · #7 05-04-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
This is true. I think people somehow keep forgetting that. It's as if once you oppose illegal immigration, people just think you oppose legal immigration as well.

-Rudey

Wow, another post that I agree with from Rudey

AKA2D '91 · #8 05-04-2006, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
You're are right. In addition, I know most apartment complexes have restrictions as to how many people can live in an apartment (ex. no more than 2 in a one bedroom, etc.) as well.

TRUE! BUT, do they really enforce the law(s)? Background checks are also required, but if those who actually submitted the information don't live in the apartment (took the test on behalf of others), how will the management know that?

There are always ways of getting around these things. Is it that serious? I guess for some, it really is.

My neighbors (from another country), in college had 4 or 5 guys living in a 2BR/1BA.

Honeykiss1974 · #9 05-04-2006, 01:45 PM

I'm sure its never enforced, unless someone turns them in to management.

LOL @ the 4/5 dudes sharing a 2BR/1BA - but I've seen it happend before in college too!

HXNUPE3 · #10 05-04-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally posted by Steeltrap
I am not a lawyer or a homeowner, so take this with a grain of salt.

Some communities have passed ordinances restricting the number of people who can live in a house. On the other hand, many municipalities have very limited resources in terms of enforcement of things and prefer to concentrate on violent crime, if you're going to use police.

And the only way you can get a homeowner out of a house, I'd think, is through foreclosure.

That could very well be true where you live, but here through imminent (sic) domain, or if your home is adjudged to be a community and/or health risk, it may be confiscated.

Strongbeauty · #11 05-04-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
illegal immigrant rights.

sounds like an oxy-moron.

I tend to agree with this line of thinking. How can you possibly believe that as an illegal immigrant you have the same rights as a legal citizen or resident? People in jail do not have the same rights as folks who are free. Even after being released, some don't have the civil rights as other free folks.

I get that people feel like we could change the immigration laws, but change them to what? We don't have enough resources to cover our own but people think we need to have a free for all and leave any and everybody in? I am not sure what all the process entails, but I've heard some rough things, yet and still people pay the thousands, spend hours reading and signing paperwork and get through it. You're being let into a country, not a social activity, it should be difficult.

nonchalant · #12 05-04-2006, 05:47 PM

This thread is very interesting. There is so much to touch on. There are many things I agree with as well as disagree with. The topic at hand does deal with immigration as a whole. The topic ended up steming from the mexican boycott. I do agree with what AlphaFrog said concerning turning the topic into a black issue. This also supports other things she brought up in another thread. It's all in how you word things and relate them to the topic at hand.

I do also agree with people fighting for what they believe in. Some laws have been changed due to peoples opinions being voiced on what they feel is right and wrong. African Americans marched in their own country for equal rights. Illegal immigrants come to ours demanding rights when they are not even supposed to be here. There is a huge difference. I totally agree with Rudey's comments, and that does not scare me. He makes some valid points.

I feel that they can strike all they want to. US citizens that want to work and can't find a job would be happy to fill those positions. I'm sure people felt the impact, but trouble don't last always. All these illegal immigrants getting jobs, apartments, and loans, yet some US citizens have the hardest time obtaining those things. Overall, security should be tighter and laws should be followed.

DELTABRAT · #13 05-04-2006, 07:10 PM

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Originally posted by abaici
Very true! Apparently, most of the freeways were easy breezy.

Easy breezy is an understatement considering the daily freeway issues in So Cal. I couldn't believe it. 6:00 p.m. on Monday from UCLA to (not so far) UCLA family housing, which I might add houses a sh__load of KNOWN illegal Asian immigrants (moms and pops come into the apartments to help the son graduate medical/dental school and help the stay-at-home wife take care of the children...let my mama come up in here, it'll be ON!!!...but I digress)...this trip normally takes at least 30 minutes even though it's only 5 miles away. Hmph! Took me 3 minutes to get home, literally.

We'll see what happens on the 15th and the 19th

AKA_Monet · #14 05-04-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by HXNUPE3
The problem is that Sally Sue and Jose both d not deserve the aid they get. Where are the jobs illegals are taking once held by Americans? ...in fact every where except enginnering, medicine, and jobs which require citizenship. Yet even though employers overhead costs go down, we don't see the savings passed on to the public; what we see instead in a steady erosion of over taxed schools and health care system that has to pay for illegals who don't pay taxes. Its time for them to go...

No, the highly skilled tech jobs and healthcare jobs go to the Asian immigrants... Some who overstayed their visas and have kids who were born here--meaning legal citizens of the United States...

How do folks separate families? Kids born as citizens of the United States, but Mom and Dad are here illegally... Or like a Vietnamese co-worker who is NOT a US citizen said, her dad fought with the Americans in the Vietnam war... The Americans OWED him a decent life or livelihood. He brought his immediate family when the helicopters took off. They lived is SoCal refugee camps for the years they had them, then they eventually moved into an apartment complex... The kids attended school, became educated at US universities, just never became legal citizens...

Now, I ain't paying for a free ride ticket for someone to go back to Asia or any long distance location, including Mexico City... I'd rather go there myself...

So wouldn't it just be cheaper if we brought our Iraqi troops home for a bit, let them re-group, get the battle groups out there, invoke Manifest Destiny and have the Spanish American War again? That's the way it was done long time ago? We take back some of the lands we confiscated in the first place. We'd get rid of Castro and his bunch rather than waiting for him to die...

Oh yeah, I forgot, the UN would have problems with that... Countries like that are not allowed to invade other countries without going to the Hague... That's how WWII got started...

AKA_Monet · #15 05-04-2006, 07:40 PM

Oh y'all better believe this has the 3rd Reich of Karl Rove written all over it... Not about protecting the president... More about getting a full Republican congress re-elected again because with all the EFF ups done toward US citizens lately, folks are asking why the HAYLE should I vote your ass again? Purely propaganda...

Bush couldn't give a rat's ass about immigration, illegal or not. He's best buds with Vicente... He could care less what the American people think, he knows he can't be president anymore, so why should he care?

This is about congress pure and simple... And AlphaFrog, in my opinion it does turn into a EFF-ed up racial issue 'cuz it is almost forcing Black folks to choose sides... Be out on the side of the immigrants (legal or not) who are using similar tactics as the old civil rights movement with a sprinkling of Caesar Chavez mixed up in there and La Raza vs. cowboy up with some Kard Karry Kinds that would commit genocide at the US-Mexico border if they could...

I ain't gonna choose sides... If anything, I choose my side or at least the side of the First Nations (Native Americans - Indians Gaming)... And let the gaming begin... They the only folks who stand to make money off of this deal with Pai Gow and all the chit... Although Tijuana has the Caliente line... I'm tellin' yah, if the Navajo Nation steps up and flexes their muscles in New Mexico, there ain't much the US government is gonna be able to do 'bout that... Yeah, like send bunker busters to New Mexico on US soil... That'll be a waste...