Hazing creates a sense of unity

[sasquatch]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

I think the claim "hazing creates unity" applies to unity within the pledge class, and I'd like to add to that, isolation from the chapter. That would explain why the president didn't know the pledge.

Hazing does create isolation from the chapter. That's fine, because despite what most here would have you believe, the pledges are not part of the chapter. I've seen what happens when pledge groups think they are on the same level as actives, and let me tell you, these chapters tend to not have strong brotherhood, in any sense of the word. I think 97% of this board still believes hazing means physically beating pledges or making them drink till they're black out drunk. Yes, that is bad and it does nothing but harm for the pledges, the actives, and Greek life as a whole. Going through a few hardships as a group never hurt anyone.

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by sasquatch

Hazing does create isolation from the chapter. That's fine, because despite what most here would have you believe, the pledges are not part of the chapter. I've seen what happens when pledge groups think they are on the same level as actives, and let me tell you, these chapters tend to not have strong brotherhood, in any sense of the word. I think 97% of this board still believes hazing means physically beating pledges or making them drink till they're black out drunk. Yes, that is bad and it does nothing but harm for the pledges, the actives, and Greek life as a whole. Going through a few hardships as a group never hurt anyone.

When I said that hazing unites a pledge class at the expense of isolation from the chapter, I meant that the isolation continues after initiation. Chapters that haze are not "chapters", just a series of isolated pledge classes.

[DSTCHAOS]

55 is huge based on my standards. But I guess you could at least recognize 55 people when you see them and know their names. I don't know if I could do it but that was never an option for us.

[DSTCHAOS]

Hazing actually does unify a lot of chapters because the actives have to spend a substantial amount of time with the new members for most of the activities. It also makes many new members anxious to be able to mingle with the actives after they complete their rites of passage.

This isn't an either/or discussion. Despite the legal definition of hazing that tries to cover it all, we all know that there are a range of new member activities and processes that fall under hazing. And not everyone who opposes hazing will oppose every activity that falls under "hazing." Some are laughable.

Hazing divides some chapters and hazing divides some new member classes. Hazing unites many chapters and hazing unites many member classes. This will be based on the people and activities involved, as well as how both sides behave and feel about the other side and the "hazing" activities.

The evidence of this would be a matter of witnessing various chapters' activities and experiences. There will always be variance because there are thousands upon thousands of fraternity and sorority chapters in the world.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Hazing actually does unify a lot of chapters because the actives have to spend a substantial amount of time with the new members for most of the activities. It also makes many new members anxious to be able to mingle with the actives after they complete their rites of passage.

This isn't an either/or discussion. Despite the legal definition of hazing that tries to cover it all, we all know that there are a range of new member activities and processes that fall under hazing. And not everyone who opposes hazing will oppose every activity that falls under "hazing." Some are laughable.

Hazing divides some chapters and hazing divides some new member classes. Hazing unites many chapters and hazing unites many member classes. This will be based on the people and activities involved, as well as how both sides behave and feel about the other side and the "hazing" activities.

The evidence of this would be a matter of witnessing various chapters' activities and experiences. There will always be variance because there are thousands upon thousands of fraternity and sorority chapters in the world.

A most outstanding post and thank you!

It speaks a lot of truths about while in the guise of hazing, it really isn't.

The explanation of working with the new associates or pledges is the main key here, not just physical or mental hazing.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Hazing actually does unify a lot of chapters because the actives have to spend a substantial amount of time with the new members for most of the activities. It also makes many new members anxious to be able to mingle with the actives after they complete their rites of passage.

This isn't an either/or discussion. Despite the legal definition of hazing that tries to cover it all, we all know that there are a range of new member activities and processes that fall under hazing. And not everyone who opposes hazing will oppose every activity that falls under "hazing." Some are laughable.

Hazing divides some chapters and hazing divides some new member classes. Hazing unites many chapters and hazing unites many member classes. This will be based on the people and activities involved, as well as how both sides behave and feel about the other side and the "hazing" activities.

The evidence of this would be a matter of witnessing various chapters' activities and experiences. There will always be variance because there are thousands upon thousands of fraternity and sorority chapters in the world.

This should be the first post in every singe thread here on out created bout hazing.

Then said threads should be closed.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by macallan25

This should be the first post in every singe thread here on out created bout hazing.

Then said threads should be closed.

Yeah these threads are redundant from start to finish.

[delicateshades]

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[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by delicateshades

hazing works. it is not fun for the pledges at all, and while they're in "i-week", "hell week", or whatever period in which hazing occurs, they do not realize how well hazing actually does work. when you make a pledge go through hell, whatever ''hell'' may be, all the pledge has is his pledge bro's. hazing is not designed to be mean to new members for fun, it is designed to unite pledge bro's. it is designed for them to realize that no matter how $hitty a situation can get, they will always have each other. hazing works.

granted, i have heard methods of strongly uniting men together in brotherly bonds through non-hazing activities. however, i strongly believe that men unite stronger in worse situations.

Interesting first post. Anyway, why not PLEDGE instead of haze?

Originally Posted by delicateshades

hazing works. it is not fun for the pledges at all, and while they're in "i-week", "hell week", or whatever period in which hazing occurs, they do not realize how well hazing actually does work. when you make a pledge go through hell, whatever ''hell'' may be, all the pledge has is his pledge bro's. hazing is not designed to be mean to new members for fun, it is designed to unite pledge bro's. it is designed for them to realize that no matter how $hitty a situation can get, they will always have each other. hazing works.

granted, i have heard methods of strongly uniting men together in brotherly bonds through non-hazing activities. however, i strongly believe that men unite stronger in worse situations.

And what organization are you a member of?

I think it's funny how your post promotes hazing and you say that it works, yet you can't even type "shitty" in its full form. If you're gonna cuss, you may as well spell it out.

SHITTY.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by delicateshades

hazing works. it is not fun for the pledges at all, and while they're in "i-week", "hell week", or whatever period in which hazing occurs, they do not realize how well hazing actually does work. when you make a pledge go through hell, whatever ''hell'' may be, all the pledge has is his pledge bro's. hazing is not designed to be mean to new members for fun, it is designed to unite pledge bro's. it is designed for them to realize that no matter how $hitty a situation can get, they will always have each other. hazing works.

granted, i have heard methods of strongly uniting men together in brotherly bonds through non-hazing activities. however, i strongly believe that men unite stronger in worse situations.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the "brotherhood" that has had the biggest impact on my life came from casual interactions with brothers, not getting my ass beat. If you can't bond with your brothers (pledge brothers or otherwise) without the aid of hazing, you're not trying hard enough.

Originally Posted by OTW

And what organization are you a member of?

I think it's funny how your post promotes hazing and you say that it works, yet you can't even type "shitty" in its full form. If you're gonna cuss, you may as well spell it out.

SHITTY.

LOL. I concur. Shitty. Shitty. Shitty.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by OTW

And what organization are you a member of?

Given his screen name, I think Beta, with its official colors of "delicate shades of pink and blue," is a pretty safe bet.

[APhiAnna]

Honestly, with my interactions with my friends who pledged various GLOs in various parts of the country I would say:

Sororities - Never works. Girls just do not bond over being hazed at all. Creates a lot of insecurity, cliques, drama and unhappiness.
Fraternities - Works in some cases. It really depends on the type of guys they attract. I think that my guy friends who are in more "Alpha Male" type chapters bonded, are extremely loyal to their house and have no regrets whatsoever. They liken it to the type of bonding that goes down in football "two-a-days". For fraternities with an artsier crowd it doesn't seem to work very well and a lot of resentment builds.

[chopper599]

This is an intersetesting conversation of what and why's.

My Chapter was big and we thought we were above everything. We/my chapter figured they were to strong. Well, SWMO, now Missouri State University does not have my chapter. It was because of drugs and being stupid with hazing. I have no clue when we may come back if ever?

[Rogue_BL13]

I went through society pledging which slightly differs from greek pledging, but they did haze us to some extremes. Part of some rituals entailed being called out and pledged in front of your pledge class taking punishiment for their actions. That i would say did bring us closer as a pledge class, but isolated us from the rest of the club and the student body.

But it did make for stronger bonds