Hazing creates a sense of unity - Page 19

Kevin · #1 05-10-2006, 02:43 PM

Big chapters do actually help on insurance rates by spreading the premiums around.

They're also a lot cheaper for their HQ's to maintain

33girl · #2 05-10-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Big chapters do actually help on insurance rates by spreading the premiums around.

They're also a lot cheaper for their HQ's to maintain

But they don't help if they engage in bad risk management. That was the point of my post.

And I don't think that a chapter with the burden of a huge house to fill and keep in shape is necessarily "cheaper to maintain" than a small chapter that is unhoused and not having any major problems. If a group begrudges things like sending a consultant once a year to the smaller groups, then they shouldn't have colonized at a school like that to begin with. I'd rather hear a group be straight up and say "we don't want to be at a school with under such and such enrollment" and pull out, then do a lot of bogus things to make it seem like the chapter were the bad guys if that wasn't the case and they are "justified" in closing them.

Rudey · #3 05-10-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Heather17
33--good post. That may be the first time you and I agree on something. You're right--some groups and schools don't do enough to set the same standards for all chapters, and it is a shame.

No it's not a shame. It's also not a shame that within the chapter they don't set a standard for all members to get the same haircut and date girls with blonde hair (although if they added a clause for big boobs I'd be all for it).

-Rudey

Tom Earp · #4 05-10-2006, 03:48 PM

There and have been Large Schools with so called strong Chapters that have been closed for cause.

If a large School with a strong Chapter is not penilized then, it shows other Chapters that there is a two sided GLO. This is not really good is it?

The first one that comes to Mind is SN, Sorry , Ktsnake. At William-Jewell in KC Metro area, they were the first with a nice big and beautiful New House which is empty now. They violated the National Rules and were Suspended once and came back on Campus, did it again and are now gone again. Ergo, SN is no longer represented there.

W-J has Well over 50 % of campus in Greek Organizations.

And Yes, there is a strong Greek Reprentation in The South, but, it isnt the only place is it?

Try keeping some GLOs strictly in the South and see what happens.

Union GLOs are very slow to expand. Expansion is Growth.

LPIDelta · #5 05-10-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
No it's not a shame. It's also not a shame that within the chapter they don't set a standard for all members to get the same haircut and date girls with blonde hair (although if they added a clause for big boobs I'd be all for it).

It's a shame when people try to warp people's positions....

Rudey · #6 05-11-2006, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Heather17
It's a shame when people try to warp people's positions....

Who warped anything? You talked about setting standards for all chapters. It makes no sense, just like not setting standards within a chapter.

Listen you've talked about having some bad sorority experiences but you really need to stop projecting onto others and figure out how to get that chip off your shoulders.

-Rudey

DeltAlum · #7 05-11-2006, 11:36 AM

Generally a corporate body (Nationals in this case) sets standards for all of its offices (Chapters in this case), and then local managers both enforce the corporate standards in addition to any that he/she/they set(s) due to local necessities.

While not true in all cases, I'm not sure a group of undergraduates has the experience and maturity to set overall standards.

Kevin · #8 05-11-2006, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
The first one that comes to Mind is SN, Sorry , Ktsnake. At William-Jewell in KC Metro area, they were the first with a nice big and beautiful New House which is empty now. They violated the National Rules and were Suspended once and came back on Campus, did it again and are now gone again. Ergo, SN is no longer represented there.

They're recolonizing within the next year, maybe already. I don't recall ever hearing that they were a particularly large chapter though.

Rudey · #9 05-11-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Generally a corporate body (Nationals in this case) sets standards for all of its offices (Chapters in this case), and then local managers both enforce the corporate standards in addition to any that he/she/they set(s) due to local necessities.

While not true in all cases, I'm not sure a group of undergraduates has the experience and maturity to set overall standards.

It's funny how most areas set standards on jaywalking and just look the other way when you go against those standards. Sometimes people just set "standards" to say they did. Rituals are standard. Rushing and pledging are not no matter how many "Innovative" programs you come up with and think kids will buy into.

-Rudey

LPIDelta · #10 05-11-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Listen you've talked about having some bad sorority experiences but you really need to stop projecting onto others and figure out how to get that chip off your shoulders.

-Rudey

I've also had a million great sorority experiences. I am passionate about this topic because I want to help ensure others can have positive experiences and also so our organizations will remain viable, and relevant. I am not sure what you mean by projecting--but if encouraging others to set high standards and consider the consequences of their actions is projecting, then I accept that proudly.

Most national GLOs have standards that they expect their chapters to meet in terms of numbers, paperwork, etc. At the national level, it is a business.

DeltAlum · #11 05-11-2006, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
It's funny how most areas set standards on jaywalking and just look the other way when you go against those standards.

Jaywalking is a law -- not a standard.

It is enforced in some places, and isn't in many (most).

Probably like many standards set by Nationals.

If you jaywalk and get hit by a car or cause and accident, you'll usually be cited.

If you ignore your Nationals and get in trouble, you'll probably be taken to task.

Tom Earp · #12 05-11-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
They're recolonizing within the next year, maybe already. I don't recall ever hearing that they were a particularly large chapter though.

That is good to hear.

They were the first House built on land donated by The School and is really nice. I got a tour through it one summer when I went up to see what was going on.

Nice guys to me as a LX!

There is an area that is a little out of the way but man are the Houses nice.

Run around a cal du sac, SN, LXA, Fiji, and KA in that order. Houses hold around 50-60 I think and run into Millions.

Great to hear SN will be returning soon!

Rudey · #13 05-12-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Heather17
I've also had a million great sorority experiences. I am passionate about this topic because I want to help ensure others can have positive experiences and also so our organizations will remain viable, and relevant. I am not sure what you mean by projecting--but if encouraging others to set high standards and consider the consequences of their actions is projecting, then I accept that proudly.

Most national GLOs have standards that they expect their chapters to meet in terms of numbers, paperwork, etc. At the national level, it is a business.

Well people seem to be put off by your standards, so yes you are projecting. There isn't much confusion about that.

Again, the chip on your shoulders should be applied to your own sorority (APhi?) and these posts you make are nothing more than projecting and talking down.

-Rudey
--Reverand Hatcher, or whatever his name is, is pretty proud of encouraging high standards as well.

Rudey · #14 05-12-2006, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by DeltAlum
Jaywalking is a law -- not a standard.

It is enforced in some places, and isn't in many (most).

Probably like many standards set by Nationals.

If you jaywalk and get hit by a car or cause and accident, you'll usually be cited.

If you ignore your Nationals and get in trouble, you'll probably be taken to task.

A law is a standard, first of all, depending on usage of the word, or sets standards.

Second of all, given that neither the law nor the standards are usually enforced until a law is broken, it's pretty obvious that many standards really aren't pushed.

"The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from"

-Rudey

LPIDelta · #15 05-12-2006, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Well people seem to be put off by your standards, so yes you are projecting. There isn't much confusion about that.

Again, the chip on your shoulders should be applied to your own sorority (APhi?) and these posts you make are nothing more than projecting and talking down.

These are not "my" standards--its the law. I didn't make the laws up. And it is only a few people who do not want to follow the law, and who I would argue are putting their chapters in jeopardy for a variety of reasons (not just legal), that are put off (repeatedly). I do not believe I have talked down to anyone--rather, I have been trying to encourage people to look at the facts. I have not called anyone names nor have I tried to skew what they have said (unlike some.) I can only project if people let me.

Why are you so offended by my presentation of facts? If you disagree with the facts then attack them--there is no need to continuously attack me.

No I am not an Alpha Phi--I am a DPhiE.