Pikes at Howard Update - Page 12

georgewallace3 · #1 02-19-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by jojapeach
A. I'm an English teacher. Composition and Literature to be exact. :P

B. Dr. Zeigler at Georgia State University taught me that "y'all" is dialect. It's one of many words/phrases that is a widely accepted as part of SOUTHERN dialect, which is widely used all over the South. I teach my students that "non-standard English" and dialect are fine and dandy at home and in familiar circumstances, but attempt to keep it out of the classroom and your future workplace(s).

C. Aren't you on a message board? When did discussions on here become FORMAL? I just wanted to point out that you shouldn't poke fun at others when you cannot master the spelling of a word with 4 letters and a punctuation mark.

D. Anything further? Send a PM.

E. I realize y'all is dialect and that it is used in the South. I say it all the time

F. Why do you care about a punctuation mark?.....since it is a message board and all.

G. I don't think I made fun of anyone for spelling...?

H. I never said this message board was formal...I was merely pointing out that y'all is used informally.

I. I'm glad that you teach your students how to speak correct English.

J. No, that is all. I do not need to PM you.

mulattogyrl · #2 02-19-2006, 05:30 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
HERE WAIT let me anticipate Erik P. Conard's response to you:

Oh you GBIs and valkyries are angry women
blah blah rant batshit crazy blah blah us whities
are tired of your bitching blah blah
you probably like Hilary and blah blah
I'm totally jacked and everybody knows it
but the Old Boys' Club of GC lets me rant my racist rants all over the place blah blah rant blah penis measuring
blah blah MOTEESIR?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA

mulattogyrl · #3 02-19-2006, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by jojapeach
^^^ But that was funny as hayle. I :heart: you, Rashid.

GC is also a good microcosm of what is so excellent and DIVINE about Greekdom. *contented sigh*

Absolutely.

preciousjeni · #4 02-19-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally posted by jojapeach
B. Dr. Zeigler at Georgia State University taught me that "y'all" is dialect. It's one of many words/phrases that is a widely accepted as part of SOUTHERN dialect, which is widely used all over the South. I teach my students that "non-standard English" and dialect are fine and dandy at home and in familiar circumstances, but attempt to keep it out of the classroom and your future workplace(s).

Hmmm... are people ready for this?

It's actually called Southern Vernacular English (SVE) and it is not "slang." It is, in fact, a dialect as you state. And, what people consider "ebonics" is actually another dialect of English called African American Vernacular English (AAVE). Both of these dialects are structured and are both VERY correct. The ONLY reason these dialects are not acceptable in schools and what are considered "formal" environments is because Americans traditionally consider "Standard English" to be the formal dialect of English.

Yes, "Standard English" is a dialect. British English is the original language from which all of these dialects are derived.

georgewallace3 · #5 02-19-2006, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by preciousjeni
Hmmm... are people ready for this? It's actually called Southern Vernacular English (SVE) and it is not "slang." It is, in fact, a dialect as you state. And, what people consider "ebonics" is actually another dialect of English called African American Vernacular English (AAVE). Both of these dialects are structured and are both VERY correct. The ONLY reason these dialects are not acceptable in schools and what are considered "formal" environments is because Americans traditionally consider "Standard English" to be the formal dialect of English.

Yes, "Standard English" is a dialect. British English is the original language from which all of these dialects are derived.

Here you go:

"The Oakland resolution declared that Ebonics was not English, and was not an Indo-European language at all, asserting that the speech of black children belonged to "West and Niger-Congo African Language Systems". This claim was quickly ruled inconsistent with current linguistic theory, that AAVE is a dialect of English and thus of Indo-European origin. Furthermore, the differences between modern AAVE and Standard English are nowhere near as great as those between French and the Haitian Creole language, the latter of which is considered a separate language. The statement that "African Language Systems are genetically based" also contributed to widespread incredulity and hostility. Supporters of the resolution later stated that "genetically" was not a racist term but a linguistic one.

Senusret I · #6 02-19-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
I am not really sure how to Spell Bigdet, but You stuff smells!

Your Fangs are showing, get over Your self, it is underwhalming.

You want to BE and APO, well Act like it!

And what is Your Point?

georgewallace3

Take my fraternity's name out of your signature.

Tom Earp · #7 02-19-2006, 05:50 PM

And You are Helping How?

I do not have to justify My Self To You!

Get it?

jojapeach · #8 02-19-2006, 05:50 PM

preciousjeni: Thanks. I would have needed a textbook to pull out all of that information with SVE, etc.

NOTE: Southerners (even transplants) of all ethnic backgrounds use "y'all". I feel that Ebonics is a moot point for this word, which was the original subject of this hijack.

/hijack

Senusret I · #9 02-19-2006, 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
And You are Helping How?

I do not have to justify My Self To You!

Get it?

I could also ask how you are helping Alpha Phi Omega by belittling every brother who asserts their right to refer to it as a fraternity and contribute to any posts with their thoughts about APO as a fraternity.

It is a fraternity now, it was a fraternity in 1925.

Please take my fraternity's name out of your signature.

georgewallace3 · #10 02-19-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by jojapeach
preciousjeni: Thanks. I would have needed a textbook to pull out all of that information with SVE, etc.

NOTE: Southerners of all ethnic backgrounds (even transplants) use "y'all". I feel that Ebonics is a moot point for this word, which was the original subject of this hijack.
/hijack

according to what I found above....she was only partially right

preciousjeni · #11 02-19-2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by georgewallace3
according to what I found above....she was only partially right

I said that people think "ebonics" is a dialect/language when it is not.

Ebonics does not exist. It was created by those who did not understand that what they were hearing was a dialect called AAVE.

The difference between slang and dialect is important. Slang is informal speech that serves to demarcate a group of people (could be cultural, professional, etc).

Dialect has its own idiomatic expressions, grammar (this is most significant...for example: in SVE and AAVE, generally the subject/verb agreement is reversed from Standard English), vocabulary and pronunciations. It is a sub-category of a standard language that has the potential of becoming its own language.

Tom Earp · #12 02-19-2006, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by Senusret I
I could also ask how you are helping Alpha Phi Omega by belittling every brother who asserts their right to refer to it as a fraternity and contribute to any posts with their thoughts about APO as a fraternity.

It is a fraternity now, it was a fraternity in 1925.

Please take my fraternity's name out of your signature.

Why dont You realize, It Is Not Your Fraternity, it is many Peoples as You tried to aptly point out. But, You are making it even worse.

You Do Not seem to realize, there is a difference between Greeks, Social and Service. We all "TRY" to respect each other and Your Shirt doesnt help.

As I said, go to Your Exec. and ask Him, Not Post Shirt on GC!

By The By, YOU have no right to ask Me to tale My AP{ reference out of My Sig. I am a Member for Life. Do You remember that?

Senusret I · #13 02-19-2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Tom Earp
Why dont You realize, It Is Not Your Fraternity, it is many Peoples as You tried to aptly point out. But, You are making it even worse.

You Do Not seem to realize, there is a difference between Greeks, Social and Service. We all "TRY" to respect each other and Your Shirt doesnt help.

As I said, go to Your Exec. and ask Him, Not Post Shirt on GC!

By The By, YOU have no right to ask Me to tale My AP{ reference out of My Sig. I am a Member for Life. Do You remember that?

You are disloyal to Alpha Phi Omega.

Please take my fraternity's name out of your signature.

Tom Earp · #14 02-19-2006, 06:43 PM

And, You are a sad Person!

Do not ever talk about Disloyal!

You are a total disgrrace To APO!

While I Admire Your Beliefs You do APO a disservice.

I am Proud to Have a Card That says Alpha Phi Omega!

You Demean it!

Erik P Conard · #15 02-19-2006, 06:44 PM

There are many greek lettered clubs with various purposes,
most of them noble. Not all are in the realm of the traditional
social fraternity. Not all have a hundred members and a five
million dollar house. But the similarity is not with them, and I
think there is a hierarchy of values. A Kappa Sig can be an APO
but he generally favors the wider purposed one over the other.
Why so much defensiveness, such ignorance, such hatred? Take
a look at yourselves, y'all may be hypocrites...ebonics and all.