UGa SAE may have drunk self to death

[saetex]

Originally posted by DeltAlum
A. Watch your language. You're violating the terms of service which you signed when you joined GC. Play that game in other forums, but not in this one.

B. I didn't accuse anything, but said "maybe" even in the house. If drugs were present, it wouldn't be the first time for a fraternity and won't be the last. The comment was generic.

C. Where there's smoke, there is often fire. Chapter members where charged with some minor offenses. That does NOT mean that there is a problem at the house -- it also doesn't mean there isn't.

D. You should try thinking before you write. You just admitted to breaking the law in a public forum that anyone can read.

I'm happy to talk about any risk management issue -- which this is.

A. Play what game? what are you talking about? I have said nothing that violates any law, so I can really say whatever I want. You cannot violate my use of free speech, as I have said nothing that promotes violence or can cause harm or alarm to anyone. I am 21 years old and can speak however I choose. The fact that you morons would allow a 14 year old to be on a Greek Life website is ridiculous.

B. That house has been cleared of any wrongdoing, which was established a while ago. For you to insinuate anything is pretty low. Rumors get started easily and you are fueling the fire by saying anything about SAE involvement.

C. I did not admit to breaking any law, maybe YOU should read a little better. I said that there were people that drank and blew coke, I said I was guilty myself, I didn't say I did one or the other or both. Do I care that anyone can see this board? No. I have a double major in political science and legal studies, I nobody can do anything to me for saying that I drank or did drugs. I could walk up to a cop and say "hey I blew coke last week." and he couldn't do anything about it. Maybe you should get a better hold of the legal system before you accuse me of breaking the law.

D. You have a kid? what are you 40? why are you on here? that is really creepy if you asked me. I've got news for you bud. anyone that still lives in their glorious fraternity days when they are middle aged has some serious issues.

E. Just because you are around drugs does not mean that you are going to start doing them. Pot smokers don't just decide that they are gong start doing coke and heroin.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by saetex
I have said nothing that violates any law, so I can really say whatever I want. You cannot violate my use of free speech, as I have said nothing that promotes violence or can cause harm or alarm to anyone. I am 21 years old and can speak however I choose. The fact that you morons would allow a 14 year old to be on a Greek Life website is ridiculous.

(a) Free speech is not absolute in this site. The mod can and has deleted or edited people's post. For instance, I've deleted a lot of your posts over at the news forum.

(b) By being a member of this website, you have agreed to the term and condition, which will be enforced by the Mods and John. That is absolute. If your speech is deemed in violation of the term and condition, by a mod or John, you will either be warned, your post deleted or edited, or be outright banned by John himself.

That is all. By the way, calling people names is not a proper way a 21 years old conduct himself. Especially one who is a "True Gentleman".

[saetex]

Originally posted by moe.ron
(a) Free speech is not absolute in this site. The mod can and has deleted or edited people's post. For instance, I've deleted a lot of your posts over at the news forum.

(b) By being a member of this website, you have agreed to the term and condition, which will be enforced by the Mods and John. That is absolute. If your speech is deemed in violation of the term and condition, by a mod or John, you will either be warned, your post deleted or edited, or be outright banned by John himself.

That is all. By the way, calling people names is not a proper way a 21 years old conduct himself. Especially one who is a "True Gentleman".

Well, I think for you to moderate what people can and cannot think and type is a **cking joke. (there is that better?) At what point did the right to think freely and have opinionated views become a problem? Its not a problem, simple as that. What is ridiculous is that you would allow 13/14 year old kids on here. I have not called anyone a name to my knowledge or said anything to harm anyone.

That is all. By the way, being a thirty year old and asserting your internet muscle on a Greek Life website is just plain sad. You AREN'T IN A FRATERNITY ANY MORE, MOVE ON, ITS OK......

Oh, thanks for pointing out that you know what the TG is, maybe next post you can type it out for me.

[kddani]

Since when is greekchat run by a government entity? That's the only way freedom of speech would be a proper defense for you, saetex.

Last time I checked, both DeltAlum and moe.ron were still members of their fraternities. You're the one who is looking like an idiot here. Greek membership is for life. Who the hell do you think donates money to keep your fraternity running and to build your house? Who runs the fraternity? Not undergrads, thank God.

You're a piece of work.

[Tom Earp]

"That is all. By the way, being a thirty year old and asserting your internet muscle on a Greek Life website is just plain sad. You AREN'T IN A FRATERNITY ANY MORE, MOVE ON, ITS OK......"(saetex).

I am afraid sir are totally in the wrong.

I am older than 40 and am still very involved with MY Fraternity.

Maybe SAE doesnt beleive in being a Member for Life as many of ours do.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by saetex
A. Play what game? what are you talking about? I have said nothing that violates any law, so I can really say whatever I want. You cannot violate my use of free speech, as I have said nothing that promotes violence or can cause harm or alarm to anyone. I am 21 years old and can speak however I choose. The fact that you morons would allow a 14 year old to be on a Greek Life website is ridiculous.

B. That house has been cleared of any wrongdoing, which was established a while ago. For you to insinuate anything is pretty low. Rumors get started easily and you are fueling the fire by saying anything about SAE involvement.

C. I did not admit to breaking any law, maybe YOU should read a little better. I said that there were people that drank and blew coke, I said I was guilty myself, I didn't say I did one or the other or both. Do I care that anyone can see this board? No. I have a double major in political science and legal studies, I nobody can do anything to me for saying that I drank or did drugs. I could walk up to a cop and say "hey I blew coke last week." and he couldn't do anything about it. Maybe you should get a better hold of the legal system before you accuse me of breaking the law.

D. You have a kid? what are you 40? why are you on here? that is really creepy if you asked me. I've got news for you bud. anyone that still lives in their glorious fraternity days when they are middle aged has some serious issues.

E. Just because you are around drugs does not mean that you are going to start doing them. Pot smokers don't just decide that they are gong start doing coke and heroin.

I didn't say that you said anything against the law. I said that you had admitted to violating one.

There is no free speech issue. The First Amendment applies to the government restricting your free speech. This is a private bulletin board and you agreed to abide to the Terms of Service. I suggest you read them -- particularly the part regarding language and name calling. The fact is that you can be banned for not complying. I assume you have the opportunity to look up the First Amendment. You should do it. We've talked through this with a number of practicing attorneys who are alumni and members/moderators of Greek Chat.

Since we're comparing education, I don't have any majors, I have a degree in Communication with minors in Political Science, English and Speech.

Again, I made no insinuation about this chapter or the national fraternity -- simply a generic comment. It may be applied to any chapter of any Greek Letter Organization in the world -- including Delt chapters. That's unfortunate, but true.

By the way, a reading of the initial post would seem to indicate that the investigation is ongoing. I sincerely, hope that the chapter is in the clear, but until the investigation is over anything could turn up. I don't ever want to see any chapter in trouble.

When you say you are guilty of something, that's pretty much admitting you have done it. I wouldn't advise walking up to a cop and saying that you do illigal things. He/she might not be able to arrest you on the spot, but can certainly start an investigative process you might not be comfortable with.

In fact, I have three children. There are lots of parents on GC. I, like a number of other alumni who believe in the oath we took that says we are members of our organization for life are on this board. Many of us as moderators. Many of us are also former or present chapter, regional or national advisors and officers of our organizations. Few others find that "creepy." Some even value the results of our continuing experience.

In terms of being around drugs having a cause and effect on whether a person will do drugs themselves depends entirely on the person involved. It won't happen to everyone, but it will to some. Our middle daughter started out on grass and ended up on Cocaine. Thankfully, she realized what whe was doing to herself and got into Detox and got herself squared away and has been sober for over five years. I feel pretty close to this topic due to that experience.

The topic of this forum is Risk Management which covers a lot of ground. These things (not necessarily this forum) are important to the survival of the Greek System as we know it. It is a place for reporting, ideas and comments about real and potential problems. It is not for finger pointing. The problem is that type -- black and white on a computer -- is flat and often doesn't convey vocal characteristics and can be easily misinterpreted -- as is the case with my comment about chapters.

Finally, please read the top three threads in this forum, as well as the Terms of Service for the board itself. I am happy to see debate, and take part in it, but under the rules and using respectful language. Because of that, I left your posts in the thread -- otherwise, I would have simply deleted them.

If you can abide by the rules, you are most welcome to add to the thread.

[saetex]

You guys are all right, I feel like an ass. Honestly I had a little too much fun (probobly too much to drink) yesterday and was being an idiot. If you want to delete anything I said, please feel free because I was rather embarassed when I read it a little while ago. Sorry to everyone that I may have offended.

I do believe in being an SAE for life, and I value that very much, I really don't know what I was talking about. My father and all the rest of the men in my family were all Greek and they still value the experience and still donate whenever they can. Again, I sincerely apologize.

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by alum
So clean up your replies. Fix the grammar and spelling.

Grammar and spelling are not high points for many of our posters.

In this forum, at least, I simply want logical comments, posted within the guidelines of the board.

I think Risk Management is a really important topic and that there is a lot for us to learn and, hopefully, put that knowledge to use in our organizations.

I moderate several other forums as well, and am much less likely to delete in them because I'm not sure the topics are as dramatic and worrisome as things discussed in this one.

Some of these literally involve life and death. If not for our members, then for our chapters.

[alum]

Originally posted by saetex
You guys are all right, I feel like an ass. Honestly I had a little too much fun (probobly too much to drink) yesterday and was being an idiot. If you want to delete anything I said, please feel free because I was rather embarassed when I read it a little while ago. Sorry to everyone that I may have offended.

I do believe in being an SAE for life, and I value that very much, I really don't know what I was talking about. My father and all the rest of the men in my family were all Greek and they still value the experience and still donate whenever they can. Again, I sincerely apologize.

So clean up your replies. Fix the grammar and spelling.

[saetex]

Originally posted by alum
So clean up your replies. Fix the grammar and spelling.

you just posted that. i really do not care about grammar and spelling when i am posting on a discussion forum. i am not writing a term paper. i think it is more about the ideas than the spelling

[alum]

Actually, I modified it to include your quote so my comment would have a better context. The edit button can be your friend.

[DeltAlum]

Speaking of context, I wonder how these posts got out of their original order.

Very strange.

[Tom Earp]

saetex, as You and others can see, there can and will be a flair of activity and spewing of words.

As far as Spelling, just tell them I am teaching You EarpSpeak!

Some want to be spelling bee teachers!

To be very honest with You, DeltaAlum is one of the Most Respected Mods on Site.

He is still a kid to Me though!

Right D A!


saetex, You represent a very fine Fraternity that all of us respect on GC!

[DeltAlum]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
He is still a kid to Me though!

Right D A!

I wish. Sometimes I think I'll never be as old as I feel.