Kerry Serves as Jury Foreman

[Kevin]

Originally posted by hoosier
Just think of my posts as "equal time"

Since the conservatives on GC are outnumbered 50-2 (possible even 100-2), and there's not one known moderator who even knows a conservative, someone has too sacrifice everyone's love and affection and post conservative. Just before he died, Ronald Reagan appointed me for life to be a conservative GC poster.

Not one known moderator who even knows a conservative? Well, I'm the Sigma Nu moderator, and a self-professed conservative. I guess that counts?

The difference is that each party puts out some things that can be looked upon by their respective members as viable ideas/products. There are other things that are simply handouts to special interest groups -- the religious wack jobs for the (R) party vs the environmentalist/socialist folks on the (D) side.

There's a point where you have to realize that Republicans are not conservatives and Democrats are not liberals -- the respective parties are just team names. Their platforms have become so diluted because of each group's respective effort to enlarge its 'tent' that for any one individual to blindly parrot the party line either means that the individual doing so is incapable of thinking for themselves, too lazy to do so, or they are simply guilty of being willfully ignorant.

Parties aren't interested in the common good, they're interested in power.

PS: During my earlier days, I once spoke to Herman B Wells - a Sigma Nu and the most pro-fraternity major Univ. pres. ever. I think he was a liberal dem, though.

He passed away a couple of years ago. From what I understand, he was a terrific man.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by James
Not really. I am a conservative. I just think a lot of conservatives on GC are not truly political conservatives.

I think there are a lot of fiscal conservatives here. This is a pretty educated crowd compared to the general public, so you won't find a lot of religious "conservatives" here.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by ktsnake
I think there are a lot of fiscal conservatives here. This is a pretty educated crowd compared to the general public, so you won't find a lot of religious "conservatives" here.

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[irishpipes]

Originally posted by ktsnake
I think there are a lot of fiscal conservatives here. This is a pretty educated crowd compared to the general public, so you won't find a lot of religious "conservatives" here.

Is your point that religiously conservative people are not educated?

By the way, Hoosier, I think there may be more conservatives on here than you think, but they find discussing politics on a message board a bad idea. I am sure there are plenty of liberals who feel the same way. The anonymity that the internet provides gives opponents in any hot button topic a lot of false courage, making a good old-fashioned political sparring session turn way too ugly. Also, some people reserve MB discussions for lighter fare.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by irishpipes
Is your point that religiously conservative people are not educated?

I think the point was since he put conservative in quotation marks he was implying they weren't really conservatives - or a backhanded reference to the so-called "religious right"; not those that are religiously conservative.

Personally I interpreted to mean that since many on GC are highly educated you won't find to many of the: Creationist/Literal Interpretation of the Bible/Jesus was 'White'/Natural Disasters are God's Wrath - crowd.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by irishpipes
[B]Is your point that religiously conservative people are not educated?

Not necessarily. Let's just say that when you have a crowd like this, your conservatives will generally draw their values more from their belief in a meritocratic society rather than their religious beliefs. My observation is that this belief in a meritocratic society stems from that individual's success or hope for success because of their above average efforts and abilities.

The religious right folks are a group that has become louder and louder within the conservative coalition. So much so that I think that they run a pretty good chance of tearing it apart by disturbing the libertarian underpinnings of the conservative movement. There are a lot of us in the party that want the government to stay out of our classrooms, to not infringe on a woman's right to choose, to not decide whether two people should be wed based on what appears in some religious tome, etc. Perhaps calling those people 'uneducated' was taking it too far. I know of no real information to support that allegation. But as to Hoosier's complaint that no mods are conservative, I think his statement is wrong. We are conservative, not just his type of conservative (whatever type that is).

[hoosier]

Originally posted by RACooper
Actually you should be more precise hooiser - rabid conservatives or neo-cons are outnumbered 100-2 or so on GC... not conservatives as a whole - it's just you seem to have no patience for the other branches of conservativism.

A national talk show host said the other day that he has his email filtered, and any email containing "neo-con" is sent straight to the trash bin. It means nothing, and is just hate speech.

Also, glad to discover a conservative moderator - a rare animal.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by ktsnake
We are conservative, not just his type of conservative (whatever type that is).

I think that is an important point on conservatives across the board here, since some people tend to lump us all together. We don't all think the same way on every issue.

Also, RACooper, are you equating rabid conservatives with neo-conservatives? I had always thought that the first neo-conservatives were Democrats who had moved to the Republican party during the Nixon administration. Although they were rather hawkish on foreign policy, they also rejected small government, especially when it comes to social issues. I could be wrong though; my history degree could be failing me on this one.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by KSigkid
Also, RACooper, are you equating rabid conservatives with neo-conservatives? I had always thought that the first neo-conservatives were Democrats who had moved to the Republican party during the Nixon administration. Although they were rather hawkish on foreign policy, they also rejected small government, especially when it comes to social issues. I could be wrong though; my history degree could be failing me on this one.

Nope - as you'll note I said "or"; because they both represent different aspects of the American conservative spectrum... both roughly out on the fringe, in only that they don't represent the majority of conservatives - they just seem to be the most vocal or at least the ones that can out yell others. For example to me the rabid conservatives are the ones that are fanatically partisan willing to believe only the evil in other political parties, while only seeing the best in theirs...

It's just I don't see conservatives as some giant monolithic entity - might have to do with enduring some Canadian Conservative Party policy and nomination rallies...

I'm trying to remember the term used to describe neo-cons back around the Nixon era... the Prof. said something about liberals that got mugged or raped by reality - or something like that.