Blame the Planes?

[Tom Earp]

And an Egg fell off of the wall, and all of the Kings Men could not put Poor Humpty back together again!

I am sure if you ask any Arch. Engineers about this, You may get as many thpoughts and results.

So, where in the heck are We on this discussion?

[RACooper]

Originally posted by starang21
his theory is wrong and preposterous.

he should read structural engineering publications.

hell, some of my own professors did the actual investigation the following weeks after 9/11.

i'll believe them over some random ass astro-physicist who doesn't know the difference from a composite column, and steel joist from his own ass.

Why starang21 are you saying you question a paper/study that doesn't acknowledge the fact that steel becomes more elastic/weaker when subjected to heat... perish the thought

I don't mean to be so insulting, but this Dr. Jones, well his paper would have about as much chance of making it through a peer-review up here as a someone hitting the non-alcoholic beer on St. Patty's day - sure it could happen... but the chances of that happening...

[starang21]

Originally posted by RACooper
Why starang21 are you saying you question a paper/study that doesn't acknowledge the fact that steel becomes more elastic/weaker when subjected to heat... perish the thought

I don't mean to be so insulting, but this Dr. Jones, well his paper would have about as much chance of making it through a peer-review up here as a someone hitting the non-alcoholic beer on St. Patty's day - sure it could happen... but the chances of that happening...

his paper would be laughed out of academia.

if this is the best that BYU has to offer....

[starang21]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
And an Egg fell off of the wall, and all of the Kings Men could not put Poor Humpty back together again!

I am sure if you ask any Arch. Engineers about this, You may get as many thpoughts and results.

So, where in the heck are We on this discussion?

i haven't heard to many structrual engineers share his sentiment.



steel evaporating?

LOL. when pigs fly.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by starang21
his paper would be laughed out of academia.

if this is the best that BYU has to offer....

_________________________________
(insert Mormon joke here)

[Tom Earp]

If a object such as a Plane strikes an object such at the Towers, doesnt this deplete the structual capacity and Integreity of the Steel that built it?

Then thrown in the Heat from Fire lessen it more?

Basic Chemistery will tell You that!

[starang21]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
If a object such as a Plane strikes an object such at the Towers, doesnt this deplete the structual capacity and Integreity of the Steel that built it?

Then thrown in the Heat from Fire lessen it more?

Basic Chemistery will tell You that!

of course, but as evidenced from the amount of time that it took for the towers to collapse....it's obvious that the impact had nothing to do with it.

those buildings might have swayed a a few inches or even a foot or so at most upon impact.

[starang21]

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html4ever...Sozen.WTC.html

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/cmh/simulation/phase3/

i think i'll believe this guy over everyone else.

Dr. Sozen is one of the most influential structural engineers of the 20th century, and i am humbled by the fact that i was able to learn from him.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by RACooper
I don't mean to be so insulting, but this Dr. Jones, well his paper would have about as much chance of making it through a peer-review up here as a someone hitting the non-alcoholic beer on St. Patty's day - sure it could happen... but the chances of that happening...

It's not like this is a guy who is widely respected by the intellectual public down here in the U.S. either; and quite honestly, I think it's kind of ridiculous that this poster is trying to hammer this down everyone's throats, but doesn't even acknowledge the contradictory evidence that is being offered by other posters.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by starang21
of course, but as evidenced from the amount of time that it took for the towers to collapse....it's obvious that the impact had nothing to do with it.

those buildings might have swayed a a few inches or even a foot or so at most upon impact.

Was the sway factor in the original perameters(?) With a force such as a Plane striking?

Any time there is a massive blow to a structure is there not a shock value to the metal that is transmitted for a way through the structure? Metal is a conduit isnt it? Add Heat to the formula and does this compound the situation?

For what ever reason, both Towers came down.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Was the sway factor in the original perameters(?) With a force such as a Plane striking?

Any time there is a massive blow to a structure is there not a shock value to the metal that is transmitted for a way through the structure? Metal is a conduit isnt it? Add Heat to the formula and does this compound the situation?

For what ever reason, both Towers came down.

hell i don't know, i'm not the design engineer. metal being a conduit has nothing to do with it. i don't know what the building code required the design engineer to design for.

engineers always design for lateral loads, whether it be wind or earthquakes.

so side movement is always taken into account.

[GA-Beta]

Dr. Steven Jones, the physics professor involved in the so-called "9-11 Truth Movement" has been suspended by BYU.

Two weeks ago he published his theory in a paper called "Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?" In it, the professor says the towers fell not because of planes hitting them but rather pre-positioned demolition charges.

The other side: the State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones' theory in a 10-thousand page report.

BYU's statement:

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

The university added, "BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones' works on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues."

[starang21]

Originally Posted by GA-Beta

Dr. Steven Jones, the physics professor involved in the so-called "9-11 Truth Movement" has been suspended by BYU.

Two weeks ago he published his theory in a paper called "Why Indeed did the World Trade Center Buildings Collapse?" In it, the professor says the towers fell not because of planes hitting them but rather pre-positioned demolition charges.

The other side: the State Department has released a rebuttal to Jones' theory in a 10-thousand page report.

BYU's statement:

"Physics Professor Steven Jones has made numerous statements about the collapse of the World Trade Center. BYU has repeatedly said that it does not endorse assertions made by individual faculty.

"We are, however, concerned about the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."

The university added, "BYU remains concerned that Dr. Jones' works on this topic has not been published in appropriate scientific venues."

if he continues on this path, he'll be laughed out of academia

LOL

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by starang21

if he continues on this path, he'll be laughed out of academia

LOL

You mean he hasn't been already?