Mrs. Sheehan speaks - Page 7

ZTAngel · #1 08-19-2005, 01:57 PM

In 2004, Bush received 51% of the vote. From CNN

In 1988, his father received 53.4% of the vote. Election 1988

In 1984, Reagan received 58.8% of the vote. Election 1984

In 1972, Nixon received 60.3% of the vote. Election 1972

And so on and so on....

valkyrie · #2 08-19-2005, 01:58 PM

You can always rely on someone to start throwing out the "attack" word. Maybe soon "lynching" will follow.

I have yet to see anything that would qualify as an "attack" in this thread, although implying that people aren't "smart enough" to figure out something not stated in a post comes closer than anything else.

Lil' Hannah · #3 08-19-2005, 01:59 PM

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Originally posted by valkyrie
You can always rely on someone to start throwing out the "attack" word. Maybe soon "lynching" will follow.

I have yet to see anything that would qualify as an "attack" in this thread, although implying that people aren't "smart enough" to figure out something not stated in a post comes closer than anything else.

Well in all fairness, I just attacked Rudey's questionable fashion sense.

Lindz928 · #4 08-19-2005, 02:02 PM

Ok replace the word attack with the word use.... Doesn't change anything.

And so we can put the whole damn issue behind us, here are the populations of the U.S. in recent history:

1980 :226,545,805
1990: 248,709,873
2000: 281,421,906

No data yet for 2004 on the site I used (cause there hasn't been another census yet).

EDIT: As I mentioned before, this is just basic population- it does not take into account the number of voting-aged people or the number of registered voters.

EDIT #2: Here is a look at some numbers from 2000

Voting age population: 205,815,000
Number of registered voters: 156,421,311
Number of turnout: 105,586,274

That's 67.5% of registered voters.

Haven't looked for other years yet.

Rudey · #5 08-19-2005, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
Rudith, those are numbers, not percentages. No one is disputing that he had the highest NUMBER of popular votes, but it is important to keep in mind, as Valkryie pointed out, there are more people now too.

-Lil' Hannah
--I hope you didn't buy that shirt.

There are more citizens that can vote now?

Plus the colored picture is still pretty important.

And no I didn't buy the shirt :*(

-Rudey

AKA_Monet · #6 08-19-2005, 02:27 PM

All the bickering about the 2004 election needs to go into another thread regarding that issue.

Mr. Dubya Bush is President now... No, I did not vote for him. I voted for Kerry. That was my choice and I lost.

Do I want Mr. Bush "taken down" (by any means neccessary) because he "won"? Maybe. I am not going to lie about that.

The fact is Mrs. Sheehan is not one of those folks, yet... She's some housewife that had a son and lost him in a war that she no longer agrees with...

Besides, Vacaville, California is in the desert near 29 Palms. That is sheer military country. If you graduate from high school out there and are "considered a legal citizen", joining the military is about all you can afford to do... There's Fresno State, but they only accept football players... And CSU San Bernadino as well as UC Riverside are too far to attend... So the options for most young people in this young man's age group are limited... Corey Sheehan probably did not think he had different options other than joining the military and being about somebody...

Interestingly, he is more somebody in death than he was in life... It may be notorious... But folks know who he was...

aurora_borealis · #7 08-19-2005, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by AKA_Monet
All the bickering about the 2004 election needs to go into another thread regarding that issue.

Mr. Dubya Bush is President now... No, I did not vote for him. I voted for Kerry. That was my choice and I lost.

Do I want Mr. Bush "taken down" (by any means neccessary) because he "won"? Maybe. I am not going to lie about that.

The fact is Mrs. Sheehan is not one of those folks, yet... She's some housewife that had a son and lost him in a war that she no longer agrees with...

Besides, Vacaville, California is in the desert near 29 Palms. That is sheer military country. If you graduate from high school out there and are "considered a legal citizen", joining the military is about all you can afford to do... There's Fresno State, but they only accept football players... And CSU San Bernadino as well as UC Riverside are too far to attend... So the options for most young people in this young man's age group are limited... Corey Sheehan probably did not think he had different options other than joining the military and being about somebody...

Interestingly, he is more somebody in death than he was in life... It may be notorious... But folks know who he was...

Vacaville is Northern California, near Travis AFB. Twnety Nine Palms is in Southern California, closer to Palm Springs.

AKA_Monet · #8 08-19-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by aurora_borealis
Vacaville is Northern California, near Travis AFB. Twnety Nine Palms is in Southern California, closer to Palm Springs.

Fine.

I'm wrong about where Vacaville is.

But it still does not change the fact that it is military country and that is the life folks hope for upon high school graduation--which is fine for those who want it.

But really, do you think EVERYONE who signs up really FATHOMS the kind of life they wanted when they volunteered for service... Some do, some don't.

It does not change the fact that Mrs. Sheehan was some housewife that lost a son in Iraq and she's upset about it and wants someone to pay--even if it is Mr. Bush...

I dunno if her feeling is right or wrong.

But, I really don't care at this point because I've got my own worries to think about.

xo_kathy · #9 08-19-2005, 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by amanda6035
If you dont like the way the country is being run, GTFO.

OK, just to be clear, you didn't say "to all the people who bitch and moan and don't do anything, GTFO" you CLEARLY stated the above. And seeing as I don't like the way the country is being run right now, I guess you are telling me to GTFO. Again, you have negated the very thing you and so many others have served to defend - freedom to feel and think and say what I want without being ridiculed.

In other news:
Mrs. Sheehan's mom had a stroke so she left the camp. Haven't seen how it's going without her there...

ASUADPi · #10 08-20-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by amanda6035

If you dont like the way the country is being run, GTFO.

It's comments like this that really piss me off.

So because I'm pro-military (my dad, brother, grandfathers, uncle, cousins and great uncle have all served and the latter (great uncle) died), but anti-war and I despise our president with every ounce of my being I should GTFO of America?

I hate how the country is being run right now, but I'm an American and I have every right to voice my disdain on how the country is being run.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I distinctly recall this wonderful thing called The Bill of Rights with Amendment #1 which gives "Freedom of speech and press". Because of this I have every right as a US CITIZEN to say how much I don't like how this country is being run.

BigCityStripper · #11 08-20-2005, 04:32 PM

How can you be "pro-military" and "anti-war"? Do you understand the primary mission of the military? To fight and win wars? That's like being "pro-cars" and "anti-driving". Or are you just "anti-war on terror"?

PhiPsiRuss · #12 08-20-2005, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by AKA_Monet
Someone who is former military--I believe Delta Intel--that works in Washington DC in 2004 told me that N. Korea has nukes capable of reaching the western seaboard of the US...

That's not substantiated, and not the same thing as having ICBMs. North Korea does not have ICBMs, and probably never will.

PhiPsiRuss · #13 08-20-2005, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by sugar and spice
Not meaning to point fingers at anyone, but I also think part of the problem is due to the current administration's stance on what images of the war are being shown to the country. We aren't supposed to see pictures of caskets, of violence, et cetera...

While the current Administration has certainly been active in limiting disturbing images in the media, they are not acting alone. The American Press actively censors themselves when it comes to disturbing images, and they have done so for a very long time.

I believe that both parties are wrong. If we are going to war, then part of the price that our society must face is to confront the consequences of our actions.

I believe that this war was fully and morally justified, but when we restrict public discourse in the name of fighting for freedom, we become our own worst enemy.

PhiPsiRuss · #14 08-20-2005, 05:21 PM

The percentage that everyone is looking for is for voter turnout. 2004 had the highest percentage of voter turnout since 1960.

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Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
Rudith, those are numbers, not percentages. No one is disputing that he had the highest NUMBER of popular votes, but it is important to keep in mind, as Valkryie pointed out, there are more people now too.

KSigkid · #15 08-20-2005, 05:38 PM

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Originally posted by BigCityStripper
How can you be "pro-military" and "anti-war"? Do you understand the primary mission of the military? To fight and win wars? That's like being "pro-cars" and "anti-driving". Or are you just "anti-war on terror"?

I think the people who say that support the troops, but don't necessarily support the war or reasons behind going to war.