2005 SEC Recruitment Discussion

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by PenguinTrax
I should think that PNMs could submit their class schedules with their recruitment applications. That way PHC would know, up front, who would miss which set of recruitment events, etc.

But, hey, why should anything be that organized.

I'm just asking, because I really have no clue, but would their PHC have TIME to go through 900 class schedules, check for conflict, compile a list and send to all the sororities??

[aopirose]

Originally posted by PenguinTrax
I should think that PNMs could submit their class schedules with their recruitment applications. That way PHC would know, up front, who would miss which set of recruitment events, etc.

But, hey, why should anything be that organized.

The only thing is that Ole Miss's recruitment registration is all online, no paper apps.

[aopirose]

Originally posted by JocelynC
[I'm just asking because I've never actually SEEN this written out in our recruitment rules. I knew the girls were excused from parties when they had class, but nothing was ever put in writing that said they couldn't receive a bid if they skipped.

If this is a real concern then it should be in writing. Otherwise, people think that it's just "talk".

[OleMissGlitter]

The PNM will tell their Gamma Chi if they have class of any kind and the Gamma Chi's compile a list, usually more on the first two days of parties since most won't have classes on Friday night. The lists are always excellent and Ole Miss Gamma Chi's do an excellent job of letting us know who has what class and if they will be able to come to another party. There were problems many years ago with PNM's skipping class to go to Recruitment parties and with Ole Miss finally getting a Phi Beta Kappa chapter the University Admin. has put strict rules for us to follow to ensure these women are attending classes during recruitment.

The same goes for active members of sororities. No sorority is to encourage their members to skip classes to attend a recruitment party. Last year most houses had about 10-20 members missing Thursday night parties for an Accounting test that was that night. This year recruitment is right around the same time as Mid-Terms so it should be interesting to see what happens. Professors have been told to not excuse any PNM or Active Members from classes/labs to attend recruitment parties.

[texgal]

Originally posted by PenguinTrax
I should think that PNMs could submit their class schedules with their recruitment applications. That way PHC would know, up front, who would miss which set of recruitment events, etc.

But, hey, why should anything be that organized.

It sounds like a great idea, but how many of you knew your exact schedule when you signed up for Recruitment? I know that I signed up in June back when I was a PNM but didn't get registered until July, and even then my schedule changed during the first week of school. Plus, if not all classes have attendence policies, then it's really up to the individual to decide what to do. I know I skipped a class on Bid Day so I could meet more of my pledge class before the night time activities started.

[OleMissGlitter]

Ole Miss rush is deferred in October, so they know their schedule by then.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by texgal
Plus, if not all classes have attendence policies, then it's really up to the individual to decide what to do.

If their PHC policy is in writing, I wouldn't even chance missing a class with "no attendace policy", someone will still find out, and you'd hate that to be the reason that you got cut. Especially since most night classes only meet once a week. I think I only had one night class with no attendace policy, but the teacher still took role. Plus, if you have an anti-greek teacher, it could affect you later.

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
If their PHC policy is in writing, I wouldn't even chance missing a class with "no attendace policy", someone will still find out, and you'd hate that to be the reason that you got cut. Especially since most night classes only meet once a week. I think I only had one night class with no attendace policy, but the teacher still took role. Plus, if you have an anti-greek teacher, it could affect you later.

I wouldn't miss a class now if I was going through recruitment. The houses know ahead of time and it does not affect your chances...sort of like the athletes who usually have games during recuritment or the cheerleaders who have to miss because of away football games. Most professors are pretty cool at Ole Miss, but there are a few that do not put up with any excuses, especially that you have to attend a recruitment party.

[exlurker]

Hello, Ole Miss Glitter. Interesting rules, and I'm happy to see they're trying to reinforce the idea that classes/labs come first.

One of the rules has me puzzled. I think it's number III. 9. f:

"At no time during any round of parties may a Potential New Member be asked to remove or turn around their nametag."

What was happening with the nametag situation -- or what do they think might happen -- that prompted this rule? Just curious. If it's a sensitive matter that need not be discussed, that's okay.

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally posted by exlurker

One of the rules has me puzzled. I think it's number III. 9. f:

"At no time during any round of parties may a Potential New Member be asked to remove or turn around their nametag."

What was happening with the nametag situation -- or what do they think might happen -- that prompted this rule? Just curious. If it's a sensitive matter that need not be discussed, that's okay.

I've never heard of any situation happening since I've been here and that's almost 10 years this August. I could see though that back in the day when hot boxing and dirty rushing were big that a PNM would be asked to take her nametag off so the Gamma Chi's wouldn't know she was a PNM during the party so more girls could talk to her and perhaps even show her around the house.

However, it would be obvious who is a PNM and who is an active member because of the outfits and clothes worn by the active members during recruitment now.

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by aopirose
The only thing is that Ole Miss's recruitment registration is all online, no paper apps.

So? The form can be modified to add class schedule information.

[PenguinTrax]

Originally posted by AlphaFrog
I'm just asking, because I really have no clue, but would their PHC have TIME to go through 900 class schedules, check for conflict, compile a list and send to all the sororities??

If the schedules were listed in a database and compared by time slot, the information would be quickly and automatically retrieved. Hell, you could do the whole thing in an Excel spreadsheet.

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally posted by PenguinTrax
So? The form can be modified to add class schedule information.

The online form does not allow for this but there are about 50 Gamma Chi's so when they have floor meetings the girls have to turn any conflicts with parties to their Gamma Chi and then the Gamma Chi's turn it into Panhellenic who distributes it to the 9 sororities. It might seem like a lot but with so many Gamma Chi's who are trained started in late Spring before recruitment and they are trained all summer...our Gamma Chi's are wonderful as far as Panhellenic Recruitment goes at Ole Miss

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by PenguinTrax
If the schedules were listed in a database and compared by time slot, the information would be quickly and automatically retrieved. Hell, you could do the whole thing in an Excel spreadsheet.

Yes, but that's assuming that their class schedules could easily be converted into a database. Our schedules at Western Il were extremely difficult to read as it was, let alone convert to a database. I guess the application could contain a database info card where the PNM entered their schedule.

And I've learned from my office, that if you have an excel sheet someone will inevitably come along and type over the formula you spent 8 hours perfecting.

[alum]

Wouldn't you be able to get a listing of classes from the registrar to find the "free time?" They must have some kind of program available to avoid class conflicts and final exam conflicts. Perhaps your Greek Life Advisor can request that as paid staff as compared to actives who are undergraduates.