Protection?

[The1calledTKE]

Does anyone out there have a policy out to protect girls at fraternity functions from date rape and etc...? I know my chapter doesn't have an offical poilicy but there are always concerned brothers watching out for the girls.

[Optimist Prime]

Yeah...its called being gentlemen.

[AlphaGam1019]

Unfortunately not all fraternity guys are gentlemen. Nice thought though.

[shadokat]

A policy? I would hope fraternities wouldn't be recruiting men that acted in this fashion. As someone else said, it's called being a gentleman.

[SigmaChiCard]

I might be crazy here, but have you guys ever had a party that people not from your organization have come to? Do you have a 'Are you a Gentleman?' questionaire at the door?

zntke711,
I had heard of a case several years ago that was along those lines, except not to that extreme, from one of the Fraternities on our campus. This football player had gone to their party and was harassing this girl...touching her inappropriately, so not quite to the extreme of date rape, but not harmless regardless. The rectification for that I believe was conjured up with that girls help, she was understanding that it was out of our control, but obviously he was immeadiately expelled from the party, and told that if he or any of his cohorts come back to their house again, these guys were going to the Highest Order, the president of the University.

The actual rectification is unknown to me, but they had no policy to act in accord to, it was more of a deal with the situation if/when it comes up. A reaction response. They probably beat him up too though. I mean, I would imagine they would.

[Lil_G]

Bravo SigmaChiCard ,
You took the words out of my mouth exactly. Well almost, there would have been some meaner words in my response. Maybe where some of these ppl are at it's just greeks at their events. Here keg parties are 90% non-greeks, so i was pretty pissed off that some of the ppl here assumed that those doing these acts would be fraternity guys.

[dzrose93]

Hey y'all,

Lil_G's theory is correct... At some campuses Greek parties are attended only by Greeks. That's how it was at my school when I was there. We did have the occasional non-Greek girl show up at a fraternity party at times, but usually the only guys in attendance were members of the fraternity (or fraternities) throwing the party.

Just wanted to clarify why some folks might have been confused by the original question.

Greek Love,
Carrie

[James]

Is Date Rape.

Date Rape has an extremely broad definition and application with severe penalties. Women can claim date rape and substantiate it by claiming intoxication. Oddly enough, the man is not recongized as a rape victim of a woman if his senses are dulled by alcohol and he sleeps with someone he normally would not.

Just the charge can ruin your life, and any conviction can bring untold misery. Here, under Megan's LAw, anyone convicted of a sex related crime is forced to register with the police everytime they move and the community has a right to that information. Megan's LAw has been broadly applied also.

So in Zntke711's case I take his question as being a double approach: Is there a policy in place to prevent a girl from suffering, what she might perceive the next day, as negative consequnces to various degrees of lowered inhibition from alcohol and/or drugs (the day after regret that has led to some rape cases).

Also, is there a mechanism in place to warn Brothers away from possibly negative consequences from consumating sex with a guest that will blame the brother, intoxication, or the House for their actions. Its important because his life may as well be over if he needs to face those type of charges.

Note: I'm not including people that have been drugged are that are actually unconscious or near unconscious.

While we have all heard tragic stories about sexual assault, we have all also heard stories of revenge or stories that are so clouded in ambiguity that we begin to doubt the truth of the claims.

I may have even read some stories on this board that fit the above . . .

Anyway, I thought his question was good and worthier of discussion than some of the flippant responses.

And to answer Zntke711, I am unware of a specific program that is geared towards that. Everything else is just the context of Risk management:

Sober monitors
No more than 6 drinks per person
guest list (so you at last know the people)
lock rooms that people shouldn't have access to . . .

Etc.

James

Originally posted by SigmaChiCard
I might be crazy here, but have you guys ever had a party that people not from your organization have come to? Do you have a 'Are you a Gentleman?' questionaire at the door?

Many universities now require "closed" fraternity/sorority parties when alcohol is present through which invitations be distrbuted and guest lists registared. Most all in the name of liablity. And while you don't ask "Are you a Gentleman?" at the door, the member responsible for inviting the non-member is responsible for the guests behavior or well being.

Which does bring up an interesting question, if a guest is acting poorly at a party, what repercussions should fall to the member that has invited the guest?

[damasa]

It would be nice to have this type of policy, if it does exist. As for the gentlemen comment, well our fraternity has open parties, as do all the others on our campus, and you can't guarantee that all guys that walk in the door are going to be gentlemen, or that all the ladies that walk in will be ladylike. With that being said, my pledge semester we threw a huge party and there were a ton of people there. For some reason or another, we had our top floors open, which we usually never do. The lines for the bathrooms were very long so I go flying upstairs to use another one. As I'm walking up the stairs, I run into another brother of mine who has to take a piss to, so we both continue to walk to the bathroom...Then we hear a girl screaming and crying and yelling stuff, and we were like wtf? it was coming from the bathroom, so we kick open the door, and there is some random dood in there with this girl hitting her and he had most of her clothes off. i'm not a violent person but I charged into the room and starting beating the sh@# out of this guy while my other brother grabbed the girl and got her out of there....he came back with some more of our members and we literally drug this a@@hole the the campus police department. At the same time, we had other members bringing the girl to the emergency room of the on campus hospital. I felt so horrible for her, maybe because it happened in our house. But a few weeks later she came back with a thank you card and she thanked us all for our help, she started crying, i got teary eyed too..she is now in a greek org and we hang out with her quite often..but the point of the story is...you can't guarantee every guy in the world to be a gentlemen.

It's sad, yes, but true, very.

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[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally posted by Artimis


Many universities now require "closed" fraternity/sorority parties when alcohol is present through which invitations be distrbuted and guest lists registared. Most all in the name of liablity. And while you don't ask "Are you a Gentleman?" at the door, the member responsible for inviting the non-member is responsible for the guests behavior or well being.

The problem with this is that anyone who has tickets can give them to anyone they want. Fratenities regularly come by before parties and drop off stacks of tickets at our house.

I also have friends from other schools that come down here when their GLO is having a large party. Of course they get in by doing the handshake or something, but then who is responsible for them?

[The1calledTKE]

Well greeks do get a bad image so the members of a GLO should watch out for everyone at the party and kick out the people who are doing bad (fighting, making moves on a girl that clearly wants to be left alone ect....). It doesn't matter if its non greek or a member of the GLO throwing a party. It make suck that the people throwing the party have to police it but its a necessity so the partiers are safe and the GLO'S as well as the greek image as an whole stays good. If one fraternity guy is doing something bad it reflects on oall greeks because most people can't tell the difference. That goes for GDI'S at the party because it happened or mave have started at the house.