AL Teen Missing in Aruba

[ZTAngel]

Originally Posted by SigKapAngel767

Ah. Elaborate, please and thank you.

Same thing that Scott Peterson has. The person is so focused on themselves that they show no feelings or empathy towards the people around them.

[1908Revelations]

How in the world are you going to admit to something then....oppps that was a lie.

[ThetaDancer]

Did anyone watch the special on 20/20 last night? They played the tapes of Joran van der Sloot basically confessing to his friend and it was extremely disturbing. He showed no remorse and seemed to think of himself as a "victim" almost.

[SigKapAngel767]

Gotcha. Very sad. I know people that are actually diagnosed with this. It's hard on everyone around them.

[Scandia]

If you are out with someone who falls unconscious because of alcohol poisoning (or anything else), the normal thing to do would be to seek medical help, even if you were afraid it was too late.

You wouldn't assume the person was dead and dump the body out at sea and then repeated lie about what happened, would you

Of course not. I would have called 911 (or whatever the emergency number is) frantically and summoned help quickly.

The date rape drug is a possibility that I had not thought of- but just as likely. I read in some accounts that Van der Sloot had had sex with Holloway and then she began shaking and died so he panicked.

He is still wrong. He still did wrong. He still needs to pay the consequences.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Scandia

He is still wrong. He still did wrong. He still needs to pay the consequences.

I do not like green eggs and ham.

I do not like them, Sam I Am.

[srmom]

He is still wrong. He still did wrong. He still needs to pay the consequences.

Yes, he does, but I don't know if the Aruban authorities will, or can, do anything (they have kind of seemed like the Keystone Kops). But, I watched the 20/20 show last night, and it definitely seemed as if he was "unbeardening" to that guy - no way that he was lying like his lawyer is saying.

Natalee's mom said that she isn't really caring about the prosecution by the justice system anymore, that she feels peace knowing the truth, and that it was closure for her. She also said that even if he is not prosecuted, he is going to be living in hell knowing that EVERYONE knows he was involved and how cold and callous he is. He will have to bear that for life.

When they interviewed people in Holland, after they watched the Dutch program, they all said that they believed he's guilty as hell. Try getting a job, or making more than the few friends he may have. He's a worldwide pariah now - that is pretty good punishment even if they don't prosecute.

[honeychile]

It's funny, I just keep thinking that, had she not met up with Joran van der Sloot and his hopefully co-defendents, Natalee Holloway might have been on GreekChat, gone through recruitment, and would be a sister to many of the women here.

Yet I congratulate her mother for being able to find peace. May Natalee also know it, wherever she is.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Scandia

The date rape drug is a possibility that I had not thought of- but just as likely. I read in some accounts that Van der Sloot had had sex with Holloway and then she began shaking and died so he panicked.

My understanding is that the FBI concluded that she had been drinking heavily and had taken GHB before van der Sloot arrived on the scene.

No question that the guy's a scumball. But unless the standards under Dutch law are significantly different from those under American law, I'll be very surprised if they can convict him on homicide.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

My understanding is that the FBI concluded that she had been drinking heavily and had taken GHB before van der Sloot arrived on the scene.

Exactly - and note that GHB is not "date rape drug" in a strict sense (in that it isn't a benzo/hypnotic like rohypnol or other drugs with, essentially, purely nefarious use), although there may be isolated incidences of it being used for that purpose.

It's at least as likely that she took one or more drugs of her own volition and died as a result of their interaction - including if cocaine was involved, as currently hypothesized, because that can introduce a series of wildcard interactions.

The Van der Sloot kid's still a monster douche, but most of the posts here really seem to ignore the facts of what the American kids were doing that night.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Exactly - and note that GHB is not "date rape drug" in a strict sense (in that it isn't a benzo/hypnotic like rohypnol or other drugs with, essentially, purely nefarious use), although there may be isolated incidences of it being used for that purpose.

It's at least as likely that she took one or more drugs of her own volition and died as a result of their interaction - including if cocaine was involved, as currently hypothesized, because that can introduce a series of wildcard interactions.

The Van der Sloot kid's still a monster douche, but most of the posts here really seem to ignore the facts of what the American kids were doing that night.

What were they doing?
Breaking curfew and drinking?
Yes, that part in 20/20 was stupid. As stupid as some of the other activities we have seen posted in RM thread here in GC.
But just how can what they were doing have any kind of comparison to either raping/killing someone or just covering up a death?

I was just down in Aruba (right before this came up again) and everyone was just down right nice. While we did go to several local restaurants, we did not go to any of the bars. We are a bit older and just do not drink.
However, we were in downtown a few times and never felt threated at all at night.
And GHP has been used as a date rape drug; was just part of a story about Rodger Clemens trainer.

[Educatingblue]

Originally Posted by SOPi_Jawbreaker

On another message board I frequent, someone was speculating that maybe he had drugged her and raped her. And then he dumped her into the water to cover his tracks (either she was alive and he dumped her into the water so she couldn't press charges, or she had died or was unwakeable from the date rape drugs and he panicked and dumped her into the water). I haven't really been following the case so I don't know how plausible this theory would be.

I don't think we will ever know if he drugged her or if she was a willing participant. I do find it quite interesting that we have not heard too much from her friends. You have to wonder what kind of friends would leave her (recent high school grad) on a beach, in a foreign country, with a strange guy they just met. Something must have clouded their judgment!

Drugs and alcohol could have definitely been a factor, but is possible jail time for drugs worth someone's life?!?!

Originally Posted by srmom

When they interviewed people in Holland, after they watched the Dutch program, they all said that they believed he's guilty as hell. Try getting a job, or making more than the few friends he may have. He's a worldwide pariah now - that is pretty good punishment even if they don't prosecute.

Exactly! I would never want to work with someone like that. What happens if there is an accident at work...is he going to hide your body in a nearby dumbpster...I mean really!!!

[Scandia]

How can he even sleep at night?

And yes, I do think that Natalee Holloway would have been an asset to any NPC sorority or any other GLO of her choice. From the way the press described her, she seemed like a kind and sweet girl who was very friendly and enjoyed serving others. Not a troublemaker at all.

[Benzgirl]

I have always had the feeling that the father knew what happened.

[Kevin]

I still think that this story is something certain elements of the media will dredge up every time it gets cold... because hey... free trip to Aruba for "work."