biggest fraternities? - Page 6

kapsigcub · #1 09-07-2005, 04:32 PM

ZZ-kai-
I can appreciate your curiosity. However, that is estoteric information to which only Brothers of Kappa Sigma are privy.

Tom Earp · #2 09-07-2005, 04:37 PM

It is not My Curosity but trying to point a fact!

Live and learn!

kapsigcub · #3 09-07-2005, 04:46 PM

Tom,
While I value your opinion regarding cigars, and enjoy reading some of your stories, I'll skip your advice regarding my Fraternity. GLO history is a passionate interest of mine, and I do know quite a bit on the subject. Referring to group's history as "BS" isn't something that I consider to be gentlemanly, so I spoke up.

Even after careful reading, I'm not sure that I understand your warning or question or whatever it was. Would you please rephrase it?

ZZ-kai- · #4 09-07-2005, 05:05 PM

Something like this, I'd assume:

Kappa Sigma Fraternity was originally founded as a secret society of students at the University of Bologna in the year 1400. The group was founded by Manuel Chrysoloras, a Greek scholar, who taught at the University. In that day of city-states, the group's initial purpose was mutual protection of its members against physical attack and robbery by the unscrupulous governor of the city, Baldassare Cossa. In 1400, Chrysoloras and his five disciples formed a society for mutual protection which inspired the Ritual and beliefs of modern day Kappa Sigma.

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Originally posted by kapsigcub
ZZ-kai-
I can appreciate your curiosity. However, that is estoteric information to which only Brothers of Kappa Sigma are privy.

Tom Earp · #5 09-07-2005, 05:12 PM

I am not giving any advice about Your Fraternity but saying that Your Fraternity more than likely has some Relegious conotations of some back ground where by they relate to said back ground.

I am always interested in GLO programs and History, but one of the best on Site is WPTW who has many Rituals but keep them to Him self.

Dickson5 · #6 09-15-2005, 10:35 AM

Brothers,

Please check your PM.

KSig RC · #7 09-16-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by Dickson5
Brothers,

Please check your PM.

Mr Dickson, can I get in on the scolding PMs as well?

Thanks!

iMAX386 · #8 10-03-2005, 10:05 PM

I'm sure this question will be never answered...but I'm still curious if anyone has any official information on the GLO ranks of:

- The number of total initiatiates

- The number of current undergraduates

- The number of chapters

I've seen various sources of information but they all seem to vary. The general idea that shines through is that the five largest houses are: Sigma Chi, SAE, TKE, SigEp, and Lambda Chi.

Anyone have anything to prove differently?

Firehouse · #9 10-03-2005, 10:28 PM

I think you're really barking up the wrong tree here. While I generally agree that the largest fraternities on a given campus are usually the best, that same model doesn't hold true when you're comoparing one national to another. You'd have to have some expereince with the personalities of the different fraternities to understand that.
Take a look, for instance, at Beta Theta Pi and Kappa Alpha Order (I'm not a member of either one). Neither of those are as large as the ones you listed, yet I think among people who are familiar with national fraternities, you'll find that both Beta and KA are more prestigeous than maybe one or two of the ones you cite.
Numbers are tricky. Sig Ep says it is the largest national fraternity, and that's true because they they base that on the fact that they have the largest number of undergraduates at any one time. But...the TKEs have the largest number of chapters, the SAEs have the largest number of alumni, the Pikes have the largest average chapter size...and none of it means much. Lambda Chi, as a national, has a very different personality than, say, Sigma Chi. Who's best? It depends on your frame of reference.
I know...you're only asking about the numbers. But that doesn't mask the underlying question of who's superior and who's inferior.

iMAX386 · #10 10-03-2005, 10:37 PM

Not exactly, because I was only asking for statistics for my own benefit. Frankly I think my GLO is the best and that's not because of numbers. No one would ever be willing to admit that their house is any less of a fraternity than the next house. How the heck would you judge who's "best"?

You cited some statistics, but gave nothing to back them up. You don't know how many different variations of those statistics I've heard. I would like something that has some evidence behind it.

SmartBlondeGPhB · #11 10-03-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by iMAX386
I'm sure this question will be never answered...but I'm still curious if anyone has any official information on the GLO ranks of:

- The number of total initiatiates

- The number of current undergraduates

- The number of chapters

I've seen various sources of information but they all seem to vary. The general idea that shines through is that the five largest houses are: Sigma Chi, SAE, TKE, SigEp, and Lambda Chi.

Anyone have anything to prove differently?

Does the NIC keep stats?

Firehouse · #12 10-03-2005, 11:25 PM

.."nothing to back them up..."
Sorry, check the Fraternitiy Executives Association. I included a link below to their website, but your national office will have copies of all their reports and surveys - that's where all these comparisons come from. The FEA has taken detailed surveys of its member fraternities for decades. I used to be on our national staff and I'm familiar with the reports - at least from the time I was there.
The NIC isn't much help, plus some of the most prominent national fraternities are no longer members. It's ironic that the president of the FEA is a Phi Delt yet Phi Delt is no longer a member of NIC. The CFEA is a very collegial organization and very cooperative.
http://www.fea-inc.org/index.shtml

Lucky SC · #13 03-05-2008, 11:02 PM

to say that one fraternity is completely dominant i think would be ignorant. Most fraternities to my understanding are dominant in their founding areas mostly and then are strong in other areas as well, its a regional and local thing.

SAE for example was founded at Bama, and they are very strong in the SEC schools, i haven't heard much from them in the Northeast, but they have a strong national presence.

I think every fraternity has their "stomping grounds" so to say where they have been strong and will stay strong... but for the most part fraternities like Sigma Chi, Pi Kappa Alpha, Kappa Sigma, Sigma Alpha Epsilon, Sigma Phi Epsilon, etc. (not trying to leave anyone out but you get the idea) will for the most part atleast be decent at schools where they are because of the big name.

I know at UVA though fraternities like St. Elmo's Fire which is an extremely small GLO is pretty dominant.

it all comes down to what school or region in particular we are speaking about.

KEarmy · #14 04-16-2009, 12:55 AM

the reason why im guessing our organization must not and can not reveal it is because it is still a secret that you dont know unless you are in it.....or a angry KE got pissed off after ebing kicked out and decided to blab....
but im pretty sure this isnt secret

to this day in congress they have on file all the rituals and etc... and have witnessed them when a while back( i forget the year) the govt was really cracking down on hazing when people started dying left and right. So they ordered all to show before them what they do and ensure that it was harmless. well during this time one of the members in charge in congress was a KE alumni and made it so we did not have to show anything so even to this day we are the only ones who no one has seen them done

and the 1400's thing......i wont argue about it because i know everyone here has things they know about a greek organization that cant be said. so im not really tryin to pick a fight. more kinda say if you wanna ask

what is thee oldest fraternity in America i havent a clue
but oldest in the world is a different story.. you guys have to think that our country is still very young and chances are over in europe thhey still have them just a lot of us dont bother to look around or ask...

i tend to tell people at my school the following phrase

oh your not greek?
no ones perfect lol .....they know its all in good fun.

LaneSig · #15 04-16-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by KEarmy

to this day in congress they have on file all the rituals and etc... and have witnessed them when a while back( i forget the year) the govt was really cracking down on hazing when people started dying left and right. So they ordered all to show before them what they do and ensure that it was harmless. well during this time one of the members in charge in congress was a KE alumni and made it so we did not have to show anything so even to this day we are the only ones who no one has seen them done

Sorry, but that is an urban myth (or Greek urban myth, like the 'brothel laws'). I do not believe that the Library of Congress (who I guess you are refering to when you say Congress) has any rituals on file. When did government officials order the fraternities to show their rituals?

And, while there have unfortunately been cases of people dying due to hazing, I do not believe that people were "dying left and right".