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Old 11-02-2004, 11:36 AM
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Angry Voter Fraud Already

Here we go already...

Before voting even began in Philadelphia -- poll watchers found nearly 2000 votes already planted on machines scattered throughout the city... One incident occurred at the SALVATION ARMY, 2601 N. 11th St., Philadelphia, Pa: Ward 37, division 8... pollwatchers uncovered 4 machines with planted votes; one with over 200 and one with nearly 500... A second location, 1901 W. Girard Ave., Berean Institute, Philadelphia, Pa, had 300+ votes already on 2 machines at start of day... INCIDENT: 292 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 7/7: ADDRESS: 122 W. Erie Ave., Roberto Clemente School, Philadelphia, Pa.; INCIDENT: 456 votes on machine at start of day; WARD/DIVISION: 12/3; ADDRESS: 5657 Chew Ave., storefront, Philadelphia, Pa... MORE... A gun was purposely made visible to scare poll watchers at Ward 30, division 11, at 905 S. 20th St., Grand Court. Police were called and surrounded the location... Developing...

http://www.drudgereport.com/
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Old 11-02-2004, 11:39 AM
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What crap.............who were the planted votes for? Just curious. either way, it's stupid and makes the whole system a joke. Jerks
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Old 11-02-2004, 12:01 PM
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considering the source... makes me think of this:
http://bushflash.com/wmf/diebold.mp3
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Old 11-02-2004, 01:56 PM
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It's not true:
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/110...illyvotes.html

Voting Machine Confusion Explained

Election officials say the problem started when the wrong counter was checked. The top counter keeps tracks of votes counted today. The bottom counter keeps tracks of votes cast in between service checks, and it already had some numbers when voting started Tuesday.

PHILADELPHIA-November 2, 2004 — Reports have circulated nationally that polling machines in Philadelphia had votes recorded on them before polling places opened. Officials say it was a matter of looking at the wrong numbers.

Political operatives are descending today on polling places around the state, looking for signs of voting irregularities.

Republican observers in Philadelphia are lodging some of the earliest complaints, claiming that voting machines in the city already had thousands of votes recorded when the polls opened.

City election officials say the GOP poll watchers got it wrong.

Deputy City Commissioner Ed Schulgen says the observers pulled the numbers from an odometer that records every vote ever cast on the machine in every election – not the number to be counted today.

In rural Mercer County, Commissioner Olivia Lazorsome says some voters are apparently having problems with new electronic voting machines, causing longer-than-usual delays.

(Copyright 2004 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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Old 11-02-2004, 02:00 PM
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With each party having 1,000 lawyers in each swing state and moved around like the A-Team in vans and planes, I have no doubts that voter fraud will be minimal.

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Old 11-02-2004, 02:15 PM
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> > Transcript of Jack Hitt's report on election fraud for This American
> > Life.
> > (Real Audio available here)
> >
> >
> > There are already hundreds of alarming stories this election year,
> > and as a public service, I've immersed myself in this hideous sump
> > of pond scum. It's deep here. So deep, that to give you even a bare
> > sense of the sheer profundity of this abyss, I'm going to have to
> > resort to one of the oldest gimmicks in radio broadcasting. That's
> > right, speeded up music.
> >
> >
> > [begin music]
> >
> >
> > Nevada: Dan Burdish, former director of the state's Republican
> > Party, filed a complaint to remove 17,000 voters from the rolls
> > because they had failed to file a change of address card. State law
> > doesn't require it and, in fact, allows you to vote after moving.
> > When asked why he did it Burdish told the press, "I am looking to
> > take Democrats off the voter rolls."
> >
> >
> > Florida: Senior citizens in Democratic precincts are calling their
> > election boards by the hundreds reporting that strangers claiming to
> > be from the elections office are offering to "hand deliver" their
> > absentee ballots for them, even though there is no such program.
> >
> >
> > Wyoming: Secretary of State Joseph Meyer interpreted the statutes
> > there to outlaw voter registration drives, like the kind where a
> > group sets up a card table at a mall or library. One of Meyer's
> > oldest friends, a classmate in both high school and college, is Dick
> > Cheney.
> >
> >
> > Philadelphia: Three weeks before the election, a white Republican
> > alderman named Matt Robb requested that 63 polling stations in
> > African American neighborhoods be relocated, thereby making it more
> > confusing for 37,000 Democrat leaning voters.
> >
> >
> > Florida: Once again, as in the 2000 election, the state compiled a
> > list of felons to be barred from voting. Throughout this election
> > year, Governor Jeb Bush's administration struggled to keep this list
> > secret. After a lawsuit forced it into the open, people quickly saw
> > that, while some 23,000 Democrat leaning black felons were barred
> > from voting, almost the same number of hispanic felons in Florida,
> > who tend to vote Republican, were somehow not on the list.
> >
> >
> > Ohio: Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has ruled that anyone showing
> > up in the wrong precinct will not be able to vote there, even by
> > provisional ballot. Immediately afterward, people begain to report
> > odd phone calls telling voters that their voting place had changed,
> > sending them to the wrong precinct.
> >
> >
> > Arizona: Students at Arizona State University were told by a
> > reporter at Fox News and the Republican county vote registrar that
> > registering students was a federal crime unless students planned to
> > stay in Arizona "indefinitely" after graduation. The Supreme Court
> > of the United States long ago ruled otherwise.
> >
> >
> > [end music]
> >
> >
> > There are some stories, though, where you really want to slow down
> > and relish the details. Take New Hampshire.
> >
> >
> > On election day two years ago the Democrats offered their voters a
> > hotline to call if they were disabled or aged and needed a ride to
> > the polls. Early in the morning, the phones started ringing
> > continuously, but when the volunteers answered, the callers would
> > hang up. This jammed the lines and legitimate callers couldn't get
> > through. The Democrats complained to Verizon, which immediately
> > traced every one of the calls to a Virginia company called GOP
> > Marketplace. After a police investigation, the president of that
> > firm and the former executive director of the New Hampshire
> > Republican Party both pled guilty to criminal charges and admitted
> > that they'd hatched the plan to have callers from GOP Marketplace
> > jam the line in order to prevent elderly and disabled Democrats from
> > getting to the polls.
> >
> >
> > But that's not the end of the story.
> >
> >
> > The court documents refer ominously to an unindicted co-conspirator,
> > a national strategist, who arranged the entire dirty trick. The
> > Democrats launched a civil suit to find out how far up the line the
> > order went. In October, the Democrats lawyer, Steve Gordon,
> > scheduled a routine deposition of one of those involved. Twenty
> > minutes before they were all to meet in Gordon's office, a call came
> > in. It was the Justice Department of the United States in
> > Washington, John Ashcroft's office, issuing an emergency halt to the
> > deposition. The deposition would have to be postponed until after
> > the election.
> >
> >
> > This federal intrusion into local politics was so ham-fisted and
> > extraordinary that it got tongues wagging all over the state, and
> > soon enough the tongues shook loose the identity of the mystery
> > phone jammer as one of President Bush's top strategists, Jeffrey
> > Tobin [sic]*, the regional director of Bush/Cheney '04 for the
> > entire northeast. Two weeks ago, he resigned.
> >
> >
> > In the past, all these tactics would have been found out by the
> > media weeks after the election when the perpetrators would be long
> > gone and the damage done. But this year, the Internet is ready.
> > Every day new accounts of political scamming surface on blogs like
> > Atrios or Daily Kos. There's even an archive or dirty tricks
> > maintained over at eRiposte.com, and when you browse these sites,
> > once hidden patterns suddenly appear. It's sort of like how
> > historians say that serial murder was only discovered after the
> > invention of the telegraph, which allowed cops to quickly share
> > evidence. This year the blogs have allowed us to see, for the very
> > first time, the wide, wide world of serial vote suppression.
> >
> >
> > For example, let's look at the accounts of two librarians, who've
> > never met, from opposite sides of the country. In September, Meghan
> > O'Flagherty [sp?], a librarian in Medford, Oregon, got a letter.
> >
> >
> > [Meghan speaking] The letter that came to me... It's on Sproul &
> > Associates, Inc. letterhead... "Our firm has been contacted to help
> > coordinate a national non-partisan voter registration drive. We
> > would like to be able to register people to vote in front of your
> > location."
> >
> >
> > [Reporter voiceover resumes] That name, Sproul & Associates... I
> > want you to remember that. Now let's leave Oregon, fly off to
> > Pittsburgh, PA, where Holly McCullough [sp?] at the Carnegie library
> > got a similar request: Nathan Sproul, for a non-partisan
> > registration drive. But things weren't what they seemed. Holly, for
> > example, had patrons complaining that the Sproul workers were
> > quizzing them about who they would vote for.
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately for Sproul & Associates, they tried to deceive the one
> > group of Americans whose job is research: reference librarians. So
> > both Meghan and Holly started digging, and here's what they found
> > out.
> >
> >
> > Sproul, as it turns out, is a partisan group, run by Nathan Sproul,
> > the former director of the Arizona Republican Party and the state's
> > Christian Coalition. Sproul has received more than $3,000,000 in
> > contracts this year from no less than the Republican National
> > Committee to pump up party registration. And these last two weeks,
> > Sproul has been popping up everywhere, in as many as 10 states.
> > Let's soar off to one of them: West Virginia.
> >
> >
> > Lisa Bragg [sp?] is a temp worker there who signed on with a half
> > dozen other temps for work described as "customer service." She
> > remembers it required a day of training.
> >
> >
> > [Lisa speaking] They presented us with some paperwork, and on one of
> > the papers, on the top of the paper, it says Sproul & Associates,
> > and it's a script, a voter registration script, and it gives you
> > different scenarios, one is for Bush and one is for Kerry, as to how
> > you would speak to people...
> >
> >
> > [Reporter speaking] Right. Do you remember, sort of, what those
> > scripts were?
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] It's right in front of me. I kept these forms.
> >
> >
> > [Reporter] Oh really? Oh great! Can you just... just, if you were
> > approaching me on the street, how would you... how would it go?
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] OK, I can do that. OK, I would say, "Hello. We are doing a
> > simple survey. If the election were held today, would you vote for
> > President Bush or Senator Kerry?" If you were to say Bush, I would
> > say, "Great! Well, this is a very important election year. Are you
> > registered to vote at your current residence?" If you would say no,
> > I would say, "All right, can you please fill out this voter
> > registration form?"
> >
> >
> > [Reporter] If I had said "Kerry," what would you have said to me?
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] "Thank you very much for your time. I will record this."
> >
> >
> > [Reporter] Oh, so you wouldn't hand the person a registration card
> > at all?
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] No.
> >
> >
> > [Reporter voiceover resumes] Lisa said she quit. She didn't like all
> > the secrecy and covert operations involved.
> >
> >
> > [Lisa speaking] I mean, another thing that said this is very
> > suspicous and very underhanded was on another sheet of paper, it
> > says... they were telling us if the media approached us, to go to a
> > pay phone and call this number. They didn't want us talking to the
> > media.
> >
> >
> > [Reporter speaking] And what... when you called that number, what
> > was supposed to... what were you supposed to just say?
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] Uh... "The media's coming! The media's coming!" I don't know!
> >
> >
> > [laughter]
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] "Help! The media's here!" I don't know!
> >
> >
> > [laughter]
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] I don't know what I was... I didn't want to be put in a
> > position like that. To me, that just said, this is not good, you
> > know?
> >
> >
> > [Reporter] Right. Right.
> >
> >
> > [Lisa] And, not only was I lying to people, you know, about what I
> > was doing, but... I was going to hide from the media? That's crazy.
> >
> >
> > [Reporter voiceover resumes] OK. Tinkerbell, are you ready to fly
> > off to the next spot? Look! There's Nevada. This week, though, what
> > happens in Vegas isn't staying there. It's the latest chapter of the
> > Sproul story, one that will soon get told in criminal court.
> >
> >
> > A former Sproul worker has hired a lawyer named Paul Larsen, who
> > explains the upcoming case.
> >
> >
> > [Paul] This young man didn't do the screening process and just
> > registered everybody who, you know, would let him do it. This is
> > according to his sworn affadavit. The organization had indicated to
> > him that, you know, we're not paying you to register Democrats, and
> > actually tore up several of these in front of him, which he
> > retrieved from the trash, and we provided them to the court as
> > exhibits.
> >
> >
> > [Reporter voiceover resumes] Two more former Sproul workers in
> > Nevada and others in Oregon have stepped forward with allegations of
> > more registrations being ripped up. No one knows how many may have
> > been destroyed, so these people, all Democrats, will not be able to
> > vote at all. They think they are registered, and may show up at the
> > polls on election day to learn that there is no legal way,
> > provisional ballot or not, that they can vote.
> >
> >
> > In resposne to the Sproul story, Republicans in Nevada have said
> > that Democrats engage in similar tactics. Chris Carr, the executive
> > director of the state party, made public three Democrat registration
> > forms with non-existent addresses.
> >
> >
> > This is the way these stories go. Both sides make charges that seem
> > roughly the same. But on this issue, there is a qualitative
> > difference between Democrats and Republicans. I called both camps
> > and asked them to give me their worst stuff about the other side.
> > Here's what the Republican spokesman, Scott Hogenson, said.
> >
> >
> > [Scott] We have been compiling hundreds of pages of media reports
> > from all over the country of documented cases of investigations of
> > fraudulent voter registration cases. Everything from police in Ohio
> > investigating a pro-Kerry effort to submit faulty voter registration
> > forms, then pay the people with crack cocaine, to a gentleman in
> > Denver, CO, who brags and laughs on television about having
> > registered to vote 35 times, that it's just the... the number and
> > degree of faulty and questionable and outright fraudulent
> > registrations is really quite stunning in its depth and breadth.
> >
> >
> > [Reporter voiceover resumes] He sent me a copy. It's all newspaper
> > clips, many of them unverified charges. There are a few that check
> > out. There really was, for example, this white guy working for an
> > outfit affiliated with the NAACP, who registered voters under names
> > like Mary Poppins and Jeffrey Dahmer, and it's true, he was paid in
> > crack cocaine. Very bad... and a great story. And then there was the
> > Colorado guy who registered himself 35 times. Also true. Also very
> > bad. But the reason you're going to be hearing about these two
> > examples over and over in the offical Republican talking points in
> > the next few days is that that's the best they've got in their
> > hundreds of pages.
> >
> >
> > Strange enough, reading the very stories they sent often undercut
> > their main argument. For example, that Colorado guy? Here's a line
> > from the article the GOP sent me: "Just because you register someone
> > 35 times, doesn't mean they vote 35 times." Or, here's another one:
> > "Election officials of both parties say that bad registrations do
> > not necessarily translate into election day fraud. New
> > identification laws, as well as signature checks, make ballot box
> > stuffing extremely difficult." Let me repeat: these are quotes from
> > the official Republican vote fraud press packet.
> >
> >
> > Where there are real cases of registration fraud in this compendium,
> > they usually involve poor people getting caught not trying to fix
> > the vote, but trying to squeeze a few extra bucks or, OK, a nice
> > chunk of crack, out of these organizations that stupidly pay the
> > temps a fee for each registration card turned in. But don't take my
> > word for it. Again, the GOP's own clip file... registration
> > irregularities are "not an attempt to commit fraud, but rather the
> > result of greedy workers who get paid for every voter they sign up,
> > or already registered voters who forget and register again."
> >
> >
> > Meanwhile the incidents of vote suppression on the Republican side
> > involve massive numbers and, soon enough, actual jail time for high
> > ranking officials connected directly to the party. Chuck McGee, the
> > executive director of the New Hampshire GOP is scheduled to be
> > sentenced. Sproul is awaiting trial. Then there's Florida's felony
> > purge list, which almost knocked 23,000 African Americans off the
> > voting rolls while keeping arguably the same number of Republican
> > leaning felons free to vote. Recently the Sarasota Herald Tribune
> > wrote the story that Governor Jeb Bush, the President's brother,
> > ordered the state to proceed with the felony purge list even though
> > the database company that put it all together informed him that it
> > was so hopelessly flawed he should "pull the plug."
> >
> >
> > So, are they all the same? Is the crackhead faking a handful of
> > registrations for Jeffrey Dahmer the same kind of thing as wiping
> > 17,000 voters in Nevada, 23,000 voters in Florida, 30,000 voters in
> > Ohio completely off the rolls?
> >
> >
> > The other part of the ground war that's being waged this weekend is
> > to make you think that they are.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > * Jim Tobin
> >
> >
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> > Call 1-866-OUR-VOTE
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> >
> >
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Old 11-02-2004, 04:23 PM
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I heard that one on NPR... (not that NPR is unbiased in any way, shape or form) and found it quite interesting...
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Old 11-02-2004, 10:10 PM
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LMAO.
Yeah those bad Republicans.
Just a wee bit one sided, isn't it?
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Old 11-03-2004, 12:22 AM
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just saw on the TV for the 3-county gambling referendum:
Dallas County has 60 of 44 precincts reporting...
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