Yale lawsuit

[Sciencewoman]

This lawsuit perplexes me. It's like the plaintiffs want the university to take the Harvard approach, and I don't see Yale hopping on that band wagon, considering the backlash and legal action. What I really don't get is their rejection of sororities as a means of female empowerment.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/yale-fr...tegrate-women/

[33girl]

I absolutely fail to believe that there were no other places to party other than at fraternity houses for the first months of school. Don’t they have housing that includes all classes? Why not ask an upperclassman about alternatives?

I also don’t get where they say “our friends are holding parties in these spaces.” If they really are friends with guys in the fraternities, why don’t they ask them to look out for them?

The only conclusion I can come to is that they think making the fraternities coed will lessen interest and they will die out. A better tack to take would be to create a local sorority that is not bound by the alcohol restrictions that NPC groups have. Side note, do the NPC sororities have houses? Not to try and bust anyone but is the letter of the law really followed?

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I absolutely fail to believe that there were no other places to party other than at fraternity houses for the first months of school. Don’t they have housing that includes all classes? Why not ask an upperclassman about alternatives?

I "sort of" get this. Having worked in New Haven, I can tell you that there is a very high crime rate - not so much in the immediate area of the Yale campus and town green, but go just a couple of blocks away and you're liable to be mugged, or worse. If you're unfamiliar with New Haven, and you're new to campus and haven't made a lot of friends yet, you might very well think that the only "safe" place to party is at a fraternity house near campus.

Then again, like you said, these freshmen most likely are living in dorms, so why not grab your roommates or the folks down the hall and go out for dinner or something? Obviously the freshmen wouldn't be able to get into bars, and I know nothing of the club scene in NH, but there are some pretty good restaurants near campus. Or find a TV show that a lot of people like, and host watch parties. If social activities other than fraternity parties "don't exist", take the initiative!

And if you look at the situation at Harvard, as I understand it, many of the men's groups (fraternities and finals clubs) are still men-only. It was the sororities that went coed or disbanded. If this lawsuit goes through, that very well might happen at Yale.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by aephi alum

I "sort of" get this. Having worked in New Haven, I can tell you that there is a very high crime rate - not so much in the immediate area of the Yale campus and town green, but go just a couple of blocks away and you're liable to be mugged, or worse. If you're unfamiliar with New Haven, and you're new to campus and haven't made a lot of friends yet, you might very well think that the only "safe" place to party is at a fraternity house near campus.

This is correct. There are some nice sections of New Haven but it’s far too easy to end up in a rough section.

[thetalady]

Lawsuit makes no sense at all. None. If you don't like what happens at (btw, private) fraternity parties.... DON'T GO!!! How difficult is that?

Don't whine that there is nothing else to do. Make your own entertainment. Sheesh.

[Kevin]

12(b)(6)….

[Sciencewoman]

^^^ Well, their attorney looks like he's about 25.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Sciencewoman

^^^ Well, their attorney looks like he's about 25.

Yeah, he doesn’t even shave yet.

When the analyst said “this case is extremely complicated” I thought she said “this case is enormously knuckleheaded.” I’m thinking my first impression was right lol.

[AGDee]

This link has more information. https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2019/...ue-yale-frats/

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[33girl]

Originally Posted by AGDee

This link has more information. https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2019/...ue-yale-frats/

If there are fraternities who are amenable to the idea of going coed, why don’t they just turn in their charters and become a local group? If the school and the Greek system would say they’d support them, why not? It works at Dartmouth.

But I think these girls want to have their cake and eat it too - they don’t just want a coed organization, they want the big houses and what they perceive as networking opportunities.

[Sciencewoman]

Originally Posted by 33girl

If there are fraternities who are amenable to the idea of going coed, why don’t they just turn in their charters and become a local group? If the school and the Greek system would say they’d support them, why not? It works at Dartmouth.

But I think these girls want to have their cake and eat it too - they don’t just want a coed organization, they want the big houses and what they perceive as networking opportunities.

It really frosted my cake when the one plaintiff dismissed sororities as not having the same networking (read "old boys network") opportunities.

In my opinion, if they feel Yale hasn't addressed their repeated complaints about sexual assaults and misogynist/rude/hateful comments, file assault/harassment police reports. Don't sue to join the groups that you supposedly can't stand, because they have good parties and great networking opportunities. Start your own group and forge a new path with like-minded peers. Empower yourself. That's how sororities started. It makes me sad that they don't realize this/dismissed the journalist's suggestion.

[Nanners52674]

I'm guessing if forced to admit women the local chapters would shut down before allowing women?

[33girl]

Well according to this, Sig Ep invited women to rush the last 2 years.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/...ents-to-women/

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/...-rushes-sigep/

What grinds my gears is the people saying “just let women in, who cares what your nationals say” and don’t get that the consequences are quite a bit more than “provoking” them. They don’t seem to understand that making that decision is a big deal. I know I kind of said that below, but only because it seemed some groups were looking to that route as well. There is a coed fraternity there already, so these women can’t argue the option doesn’t exist.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Well according to this, Sig Ep invited women to rush the last 2 years.

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/...ents-to-women/

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2018/...-rushes-sigep/

What grinds my gears is the people saying “just let women in, who cares what your nationals say” and don’t get that the consequences are quite a bit more than “provoking” them. They don’t seem to understand that making that decision is a big deal. I know I kind of said that below, but only because it seemed some groups were looking to that route as well. There is a coed fraternity there already, so these women can’t argue the option doesn’t exist.

I wonder if now is the time to bring Alpha Phi Omega back. From what I understand, Alpha Phi Omega went inactive in an odd way. The chapter basically got eaten by its largest service project (spent all year preparing), Communiversity Day and eventually became an organization devoted to that (Yale Undergraduate Philanthropic Society).

I'm not saying that Alpha Phi Omega is equivalent to a social greek, but a push from some students to have co-ed greeks can't hurt Alpha Phi Omega expansion...

[33girl]

Oh hells no. It would get turned into a mouthpiece for “no single gender organizations” and the most important parts - leadership, friendship, service - would become secondary.