Bob Jones University

[navane]

Originally posted by angelove
Would it be un-Christian to reject someone who is less desirable? Or to even deem someone "less desirable"? You know, "judge not lest ye be judged ye-selves" or something like that.

YES....but I'm not sure you're understanding my question. I was talking about *human nature* - and yes, even Christian people are subject to it. If all of the members of societies at BJU are able to look past a given rushee's funny clothes, poor social skills, and unattractive looks, then great. I'm just not 100% confident that ALL members of ALL of the 20+ women's groups are able to put aside thoughts of "Boy, I sure hope she doesn't sign up for our group." What I am wondering is *if* this is an issue and, if so, *how* that works out.

.....Kelly

[CarolinaDG]

Originally posted by angelove
Would it be un-Christian to reject someone who is less desirable? Or to even deem someone "less desirable"? You know, "judge not lest ye be judged ye-selves" or something like that.

Maybe to them less desirable is on the basis of Christianity and the strength of their Christian character. In that case, is it really judging? I'm not quite sure. Seems like a philosophical question that could lead to a whole other thread alone.

[navane]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
I think KDDani's point was more that it has gone off-topic into Bob Jones' culture, not saying that the original post wasn't greek-related.

I wasn't complaining about kddani's post or anything. She mentioned having this thread moved to Chit Chat. However, because *I* am still interested in talking about BJU's "greek life", I tried to salvage the thread. Does that make more sense now?

.....Kelly

[aopirose]

Originally posted by RedRoseSAI
I'll repeat my earlier question to try to get things back on track. Why does BJU put such an emphasis on women looking "feminine". How is that in keeping with fundamentalist Christian ideals (not saying it is or it isn't - I'm just curious for input).

This may not answer your question entirely but it may give you some insight. I found this web site last year and I thought that it was pretty interesting. IMHO, I think that people from these types of homes may be more apt to attend BJU. It fits in with many of their beliefs.

http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty3.html

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by CarolinaDG
And as far as the question about femininity being fundamentalist. In the Bible (somewhere, I'm not sure where) it says that a woman should be submissive to a man. I think a skirt is the way to show that submissiveness, but I may be wrong. I do find it interesting that on the website there are pictures of girls in t-shirts and jeans, though.

The submissiveness issue is not actually involved here. (And anyway the definition of "submission" is the subject of constant debate.) It is modesty, though I personally don't believe that a woman can't be modest in jeans or slacks.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by aopirose
This may not answer your question entirely but it may give you some insight. I found this web site last year and I thought that it was pretty interesting. IMHO, I think that people from these types of homes may be more apt to attend BJU. It fits in with many of their beliefs.

http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty3.html

Sorry for the double post, but I think the most important section on that website is "Will it Cause Others to Stumble." That's vitally important! Now, I don't so much agree with using the Old Testament passages that are on that website (the author even questions it somewhat) because with Jesus came a New Covenant. But I'm sure BJU DOES refer to the OT in these circumstances.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by aopirose
This may not answer your question entirely but it may give you some insight. I found this web site last year and I thought that it was pretty interesting. IMHO, I think that people from these types of homes may be more apt to attend BJU. It fits in with many of their beliefs.

http://www.momof9splace.com/modesty3.html

Oh aopirose, you don't know what that website does to me.

[Taualumna]

Hmmm...I wonder how he feels about kilts? They're supposed to be menswear, but would he feel the same?

[naraht]

Actually, it should be fairly clear that Kilts and Dresses are different. Dresses are worn with something underneath them...

BTW, I'm an alumnus of Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh. Our school colors are the Carnegie Tartan Pattern (Fortunately we also have athletic colors for the uniforms for the sports teams). And you can specialize in Bagpipe in majoring in Music. (One of only two schools in North America where you can do that, I understand, the other being Simon Frasier in British Columbia, Canada)

Randy

[alphaalpha]

I have gone to church for the better part of 10 years. I beleive in the ideals in the bible and enjoy the company of others who share similar beliefs as mine.

With that i have to say that many christians that I have meet have been the most judgemental, the most likely to critisise (sp) the most unsupportive of most of my endevorse in life. I would imagine (since i went to a christian college) that BJU is similar to this. I would imagine they as a school have the front of being loving and accepting and wanting to help people be the best christians that they can be. I have not read their web site but from my own expereince i can only guess that the website talks about a loving supporting christiand atmosphere that will help a man (and they probably use the word man) grow in his faith by being a community that provides a place without distraction and the sins of the world.

But in reality its a place of judegement, support only comes when you do things exactly as they interprete and do not allow any interpretations for yourself (i would suggest looking up why the prodestant reformation happened anyway, ie to be able to interpret the bible ourselves) that you have to do things the way that they do them and exactly like they do them otherwise their is something wrong with you and how you have to change to be right.

You might be thinking that i have probably been hurt and have some issue to deal with. I would say yes, i get really tired of people telling me what i am doing wrong and how i am not follwing Gods plan for my life, yet God have never told me that I am doing anything wrong. Hummm??

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by alphaalpha
With that i have to say that many christians that I have meet have been the most judgemental, the most likely to critisise (sp) the most unsupportive of most of my endevorse in life.

I agree with most of what you've said. However, I wanted to point out to you - for the record - that the Bible does tell us to help each other along the path. In fact, if a person claiming to be a brother or sister in Christ continues to act in ways contrary to the Christian walk, we are to disassociate from that person. Of course, if we are just doing things that people don't like (i.e. I'm in seminary and my home church's elders have essentially said I'm completely wrong because women shouldn't be in ministry) but the things are not contrary to biblical teaching, you have to just chalk it up to the imperfection of humanity.

[JupiterTC]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I agree with most of what you've said. However, I wanted to point out to you - for the record - that the Bible does tell us to help each other along the path. In fact, if a person claiming to be a brother or sister in Christ continues to act in ways contrary to the Christian walk, we are to disassociate from that person. Of course, if we are just doing things that people don't like (i.e. I'm in seminary and my home church's elders have essentially said I'm completely wrong because women shouldn't be in ministry) but the things are not contrary to biblical teaching, you have to just chalk it up to the imperfection of humanity.

But you can also argue that you shouldn't help other Christians unless there is no sin in your life. Jesus said in the Gospels that if they point out a speck from another person's eye, then they shouldn't have a plank in their own eye. Another words, why are you going to address sins to your fellow brother or sister when you have sins (and I mean severe sin) in your own life?

[sphinxpoet]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I agree with most of what you've said. However, I wanted to point out to you - for the record - that the Bible does tell us to help each other along the path. In fact, if a person claiming to be a brother or sister in Christ continues to act in ways contrary to the Christian walk, we are to disassociate from that person.

I must disagree with the above statement about disassociating ourselves. We as Christians have Christ as an example to follow. Christ did not judge sinners but came to save them. Therefore he came to save everyone. Christ ate with Tax Collectors and in that time they were considered the most unholy of them all. Could it be that true Christian living calls for us not to help those who are already well in Christ but to help those in sin as we lift ourseleves as well?

[PhoenixAzul]

Originally posted by naraht
Actually, it should be fairly clear that Kilts and Dresses are different. Dresses are worn with something underneath them...

BTW, I'm an alumnus of Carnegie-Mellon in Pittsburgh. Our school colors are the Carnegie Tartan Pattern (Fortunately we also have athletic colors for the uniforms for the sports teams). And you can specialize in Bagpipe in majoring in Music. (One of only two schools in North America where you can do that, I understand, the other being Simon Frasier in British Columbia, Canada)

Randy

I'm form Pittsburgh and have gone to various things at CMU from time to time (my good friend has his masters from there, I'm applying there for grad school once I'm done here). It's always neat to watch the bagpiping class in the cut. One person at each end. It's just bizzare to hear bagpipe music in the middle of Oakland.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by preciousjeni
I agree with most of what you've said. However, I wanted to point out to you - for the record - that the Bible does tell us to help each other along the path. In fact, if a person claiming to be a brother or sister in Christ continues to act in ways contrary to the Christian walk, we are to disassociate from that person. Of course, if we are just doing things that people don't like (i.e. I'm in seminary and my home church's elders have essentially said I'm completely wrong because women shouldn't be in ministry) but the things are not contrary to biblical teaching, you have to just chalk it up to the imperfection of humanity.

Disassociating is not helpful. Christians are not the Amish, we are not supposed to shun.