Black Men and White Women Is it a Problem?

[cash78mere]

DELTABRAT-

You had some very quality points and I think it is important for you to stand up for what you believe in. But please DO NOT GENERALIZE!

You said" I hear whithe people say all the time that "I didn't beat your ancesors" or" I didn't lynch you uncles and aunts, why are you mad at me." Because I am still living with that reality EVERYDAY of my Black life, that's why and so are you. Yeah although you didn't have the whip in hand, personally, one of your ancestors did. Point blank. "

That is absolutely, 100%, completely INCORRECT! You cannot speak for ALL white people! Not a single member of my family was in this country until WWII. And you know why they came here? Because they were being PERSECUTED AND MURDERED by the Nazis. They came here seeking a better life where they would be free to live their lives. NEVER ONCE did they own slaves or "hold a whip in their hands". NEVER ONCE. You CANNOT say that white heritage is founded in slavery in this country. SOME people's heritage is from slavery times, but remember the immigration boom of the early 1900's? That is when a large amount of white people entered this nation. their heritage is not that of colonial America. I had many members of my family MURDERED by cold, hateful killers. But am I mad at all Germans? Do I consider them all to be evil, hateful people? ABSOLUTELY NOT. I consider only the actual participants to be held responsible. And you know what is ironic? I AM GERMAN ALSO. They persecuted THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that you are a black supporter and hold strongly to your beliefs. I am not trying to change you or your views, just trying to educate you on the facts. By making blanket statements that DO NOT hold true for all Americans, you are not making things any better.

POINT BLANK.

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
[B]No other race was brought here for cheap labor purposes ONLY. [B]

You forgot the chinese people were brought to America as slaves as well

amen, Cash, amen! Tired of EVERYONE generalizing. I am neither white or black, the love of my life and is beautiful black man. And he is SO sick of his black female friends giving him crap for dating me. Someone said something about how he dated a white woman and black girls got mad -- the same black girls that wouldn't go out with him in the first place. "What was I supposed to do? Wait around." Very good point. My man asked me out because he thought I was beautiful, he thought I was well spoken, intelligent, and he loved my confidence. He has dated his share of black women, white women, etc. As for him being afraid of a "strong" black woman: His black ex girlfriend is an insecure, possessive, jealous, dramamtic, overly dependent whore (she slept with a friend of his) -- he appreciates me because I am confident, strong, and independent and he know I wouldn't let him walk all over me, his friends and family respect me -- unlike the way her personality screamed she probably would (even though he is too much of a gentleman to do so). So drop that arguement too.

That's my $0.02 cents

my white girlfriend may not look like my mother, but she's selfless, kind, nurturing, intelligent and beautiful. JUST like my mother.

[icytre]

Cash78mere,

I must agree with Deltabrat in this. Eventhough your heritage is not colonial white America, you are still seen as white in today's society. When people see you, they see White, and when they see me, they Black. Guess what, in most cases, there would be two different reactions towards you and I today. Guess who would get the positive treatment? Let's keep it real!

Haitinupe,
Can you explain what you mean by selfless?

[cash78mere]

I agree that people would see two different things. I never said they wouldn't. But that does not mean that they will look at me and think instantly of slavery. If they do, I feel bad for them. People do not need to be closed minded. People should look at me and think of the positive and negative things that I ALONE have done. To even judge me on my family or friends is wrong. To think of me as white and to think of me as a slave holder are 2 completely different things.

People may see me as white, but if the only thing that comes to mind is being a slave master or a repressor of a people, they really need to expand their thinking. It would not be fair for me to look at all black people and think solely of gangs (just an example) or any other negative thing that I could think of.

We need to look at people as INDIVIDUALS. I do not like all white people, I don't like all black people and I don't like all Asian people. But to say that I must think negatively on an entire race because of something that happened 200 years ago is ludicrous. I judge people on their OWN INDIVIDUAL MERITS. And I would hope to assume that most people do also.

[icytre]

Cash78mere,
You are describing a romper room reality, which is not what we live in. So you now can JUDGE people? What if you don't know any of their individual merits? What do you do then? We all know that slavery happened 200 years ago, but the affects of slavery and the mentality is still alive and well. That is why Blacks are still talking about it, because racism is still here.

[cash78mere]

Romper Room? puh-lease! the only people who act as if they're in romper room are the one's that say things about perfect strangers they don't know. i don't know about anyone else, but i graduated pre-school and now live in the real world where i live my life according to a high standard. who exactly am i judging? please show me where i wrote that. i am not going to sit here and let people say that they know me or my people. you don't know me. but i am beginning to know you. you base things not on truth but on fiction. where do you get off telling anyone that all whites are hung up on slavery? i'm not going to sit here and defend myself and other white people any longer. it is not worth my precious time.

you know what, if i don't know a person's individual merits, then what RIGHT do i have to judge him? i obviously don't know him so why would i say anything about him?

black or white, you don't have a right, responsibility or the knowledge to judge an entire group of people. i don't live in the past, i live in the present. i want to make my life, and that of my friends' and family, as productive and happy as possible. this is not living in a fantasy world, it is reality.

i don't know you and i'm not judging you. i don't care if you're latino, asian, black, white, indian or anything else. i have no preconceived notions about you except that you think all white people are evil. that is really sad, because honestly, i am one of the nicest people you will meet. i have never treated anyone with utter disrespect and i don't want that to ever happen to me.

so please, ictyre, i am not attacking you. not at all. just please judge me with the same standards as if my skin was a darker shade and only if you know me.

Peace.

[icytre]

cash78mere,
You said verbatim," I JUDGE people on their own individual merits." Apparently you don't know what you are talking about because you can't realize what you are saying.

I never said I agreed with anyone for judging a whole race. Blacks shouldn't do it, but it's hard not to when you are facing racism everyday. Here is my present reality, America is a country that was founded and developed for the uplifting of WHITE people. Not Blacks! Blacks were part of the country's development only as slaves. Do you face racism everyday? Or are you simply enjoying the fruits of an oppressed people?

No, I don't think all White people are evil. I do believe that they will take care of each other no matter who/whom affects. That's my reality!


This is not a "we are the world" forum to discuss race relations. So let's get back to greek relations. What sorority do you belong to?

[cash78mere]

ictyre,

here was our misunderstanding. i was not talking about judging people in only a bad manner. i guess it was improperly worded. i simply meant that when i meet someone, and get an impression of them, it is not related to their race. it is related to them only. such as--when i get in a disagreement with someone, it is because of what that person did to me, not because they are white/black. trying to explain this is hard, but i honestly was not talking about "judging" in only a negative manner. please let me know if this has cleared up what i meant. i just get very hurt when i read people say "white people are only in things for themselves." please don't think that. yes, there are many people who are only in things to better their own "kind", but there are many more who are not out for purely selfish reasons.

anyways, now that that is out of the way. i am an alpha chi omega. i see that your email in your profile says "apathetapsi@". is that your fraternity?

Peace

[niknak]

Originally posted by icytre:
Blacks shouldn't do it, but it's hard not to when you are facing racism everyday.

Racism is a 2 way street.

This is the whole thing in a nutshell --- for someone to hate blacks is not any more right than someone who hates whites (or Latinos, Asians, Native Americans, etc.)

No one has the right to judge PERIOD! Like the Hard Rock Cafe slogan "Love All, Serve All"!

[HER_STORY]

niknak..........ditto!!!!!!!

[DELTABRAT]

cash78mere:

Yes, I do stand corrected. You are very right in that fact. It is difficult NOT to over-generalize. I apologize. There are a lot of people here who were not born and bred in the United Snakes of Amerikkka. Those people do tend to have a different point of view. I am however speaking of people whom I KNOW have said that to me personally and they ARE in fact from here. I feel that if someone says that, they should do what you did. Explain, somewhat. Not that I am owed an explanation. But make your place known. I can understand where you are coming from because your ancestors, in fact , had nothing to do with the lynchin'. But some of them folks' people did. Finally, I would like to say, and I KNOW this isn'tfair, but a lot of times it's hard because although someone my be from Europe or some other part of the world and be white, it still don't take away my pain. You STILL are afforded certain "luxuries" base on you color. Additionally, you CHOSE to come here based on some corrupt shit goin' down where you are from (that's f#@!ed up) But I didn't choose to come here. And after I was brought to this place, then I was persecuted. On top of that, back in the mother land, we were and are STILL being oppressed by the white man. APART-HATE (APARTHEID) JUST ended, like yesterday. DAMN. Is there no safe haven for brothahs and sistahs? NO!
cash78mere...PEACE. Thanks for the nice, calm, coherent response

[DELTABRAT]

hello:

Sorry I forgot that. If there is no beef on your part then please allow me to vent mine. If you feel a certain way about the Chinese people being brought over as slaves then PUT YO' BEEF DOWN, BABY!!! I am !!!

I can't speak for everyone...you speak for you. Not trying to be rude

[DELTABRAT]

Icytre,

Appreciate your responses. It feels good to see both you and cash78mere dialogue in a respectful way. I think I ditto-ed some of your responses. I have a problem in that I type something in reponse to a post, then as I read, I notice that about 100 people have already said the same thing. What sorority are you in? I think mines is obvious.


Oooooooo-Ooooooop to the Devastating Ladies of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc.

" Crimson and Cream
Every Little Girl's Dream"

Oops! Perhaps you are male and in a fraternity. So sorry

[This message has been edited by DELTABRAT (edited June 25, 2000).]