Why do LGLO/MCGLOs follow NPHC practices?

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

c'mon now...you get the point...stop protesting just to protest.

She might honestly not know about "Diva." She refers back to "Delta."

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

You don't seem to get it. Heritage is not important. It doesn't tell you where you're from and it sure as hell doesn't tell you where your going. It simply tells you your geneolgy. Which is a very unimportant, masturbatory exercise.

I'm saying that you don't have the same connection to your heritage as other blacks across the world have. That there is no legitimate Pan-African commonality. The black Haitians practice Voodoo as it came over from Africa. Do you practice voodoo? That was a religion. Perhaps, your christian? Doesn't sound too African to me (perhaps northeast Africa, but few of the American ancestors originated from there...and even then, that's Coptic Christian). The blacks across Europe don't seem to feel the same inferiority complex of whites as blacks in America. Hell, they were more scared of their own race slaughtering or enslaving them, which is why they left that beautiful hellhole.

I would love to see some evidence of African traditions as practiced across the world. That is, they happen in the United States/Europe/China/South America. I simply don't think you'll find it.

"Your name is Toby, what's your name?" lashes whip
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance
"Massa gave you a name, it's a nice name and you are going to take it" lashes more whips
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance, again
"What's your name?" lashes more whips, as Kunte Kente falls to the ground...
"Toby" barely audible
"Ey, that's a good [expletive deleted]..."


What we think when you say to us that we have no connection to Africa...

Thanks for exacting your psychological determinants upon us! We sho do appreciate it Massa!!!

[CULater]

african traditions, just like any other, were often formed to cope with our environment or increase our chances of reproduction. similar to evolution. as such, we'll see similarities and differences among practices and traditions in not just human, but all species.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

She might honestly not know about "Diva." She refers back to "Delta."

That's a good point.

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

"Your name is Toby, what's your name?" lashes whip
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance
"Massa gave you a name, it's a nice name and you are going to take it" lashes more whips
"Kunta Kente" barely an utterance, again
"What's your name?" lashes more whips, as Kunte Kente falls to the ground...
"Toby" barely audible
"Ey, that's a good [expletive deleted]..."


What we think when you say to us that we have no connection to Africa...

Thanks for exacting your psychological determinants upon us! We sho do appreciate it Massa!!!

You will forget about Africa, I say!!!

Originally Posted by CULater

african traditions, just like any other, were often formed to cope with our environment or increase our chances of reproduction. similar to evolution. as such, we'll see similarities and differences among practices and traditions in not just human, but all species.

Come again?

[CULater]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I would love to see some evidence of African traditions as practiced across the world. That is, they happen in the United States/Europe/China/South America. I simply don't think you'll find it.

answering this statement....

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CULater

answering this statement....

Oh, we're back to him again.

Well, can you explain how you answered that question, then? Or maybe begin by explaining how you interpreted his question? Please.

[PANTHERTEKE]

Originally Posted by CULater

2) They wanted to be more community-based driven, in providing and addressing specific needs of a specific community (in general NPHC are geared towards Afrian American/Black communities, while IFC/NPC aren't really geared towards a specifc community, maybe Jewish, but most were from music groups or other book groups, etc)

This is true. Even though we all have our own national/local philanthropic endeavors, our organizations focus more on helping the individual become a better man or better woman. Which, IMO, there is nothing wrong with. IFC/NPC is different from NPHC/MCG which is fine.

Originally Posted by CULater

3) They received help from NPHC to be founded (i.e. SLB, LUL)

Just out of curiosity, who helped LUL be founded? I know the connection between SLB and Phi Beta Sigma but I don't know about LUL.

Originally Posted by CULater

5) NPHC traditions are great recruitment tools.

See, if I were a member of an NPHC org, this would bother me. (This and the fact that other minority or culturally based orgs are copying the traditions).

Yeah, stepping/strolling/calls/etc might be cool and, sure, they're a great recruitment tool. But it seems like everyone copying them is doing so just to be cool and they don't understand the meaning/significance of their traditions.

Originally Posted by CULater

6) Documentation - a lot of times before internet, it is hard to know who to credit for what ritual. Maybe they saw an older LGLO or MCGLO do it, and thought it relevant as well to their own.

Nah, I think everyone knows that BGLOs started stepping/strolling/calls/etc.

Originally Posted by CULater

Personally, I hope many of the organizations that have recently been founded have done thorough research. I know for us personally, back in the 80s when we started to socialize more with NPHC and saw them stepping and strolling, we researched the purpose of them and had to decide if those traditions would be relevant for our organization's mission/identity/goals, and why or why not. I feel our reasons justified, but for others, it could be different, and everyone has a different perspective, so I respect that (or at least try to).

That's one of the reasons why LTA, to me, is the best sorority for hispanic women. You guys seem to have your own traditions and not copy what the other orgs are doing just to be cool.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

You will forget about Africa, I say!!!

I have a mothership connection you would NEVER understand...

Originally Posted by CULater

african traditions, just like any other, were often formed to cope with our environment or increase our chances of reproduction. similar to evolution. as such, we'll see similarities and differences among practices and traditions in not just human, but all species.

Originally Posted by CULater

answering this statement....

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Well, can you explain how you answered that question, then? Or maybe begin by explaining how you interpreted his question? Please.

I am totally lost on these comments, too?

[CULater]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Oh, we're back to him again.

Well, can you explain how you answered that question, then? Or maybe begin by explaining how you interpreted his question? Please.

Unless he was literally saying...show me African tradition A (and of course, "African" is that generally African like 98% of people who live in Africa and consider themselves Africans practice it, or specific, like a specific tribe in Africa) that is seen (without mutation) in Europe, Asian, South America, then of course, we won't be able to exactly give him the examples. But, I feel that the gist of a lot of our "traditions" and and cultural norms and practices stem from coping with the environment or upping our chances of passing on our genes. As such, if you look at migration or environmental similarities and differences across the world, you would be able to track the similarities and differences of african tradition among other cultures (and vice-versa).

For example, you could say that show me the tradition in other parts of where where FGM is also practiced. You probably couldn't, but if you look at the under reason (to keep girls from having sex before their husbands, or to keep wives from cheating on their husbands), and you will see similar practices in many other places of the world (keeping a woman completely clothed, foot binding, etc).

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I have a mothership connection you would NEVER understand...

No, TOBY!!!! Noooooooo!!!!

*****

I am probably really late on this but I'm happy to have found some African, Carribean, and African Diasporic networking sites that add to the cross-continent connections between us.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by CULater

Unless he was literally saying...show me African tradition A (and of course, "African" is that generally African like 98% of people who live in Africa and consider themselves Africans practice it, or specific, like a specific tribe in Africa) that is seen (without mutation) in Europe, Asian, South America, then of course, we won't be able to exactly give him the examples.

I think that's what he was requesting and we could give him examples if we didn't think we'd be trying to "prove" something to a moron.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

No, TOBY!!!! Noooooooo!!!!

Rev. Brown: [at Black Awareness Rally] But you know, when I look at these contestants! For the Miss Black Awareness Pageant, I feel good! I feel good, because I know there's a God somewhere! There's a God somewhere! Turn around ladies for me please! You know there's a God who sits on high and looks down low! Man cannot make it like this! Larry Flynt! Hugh Hefner! They can take the picture, but you can't make it! Only God above, the Hugh Hefner on high, can make it for ya!
Semmi: [in audience to Akeem] Apparently these are the best women Queens has to offer. Pick one and let's go home.
Prince Akeem: Be patient, my friend.
Rev. Brown: Do you love Him? Do you feel joy? Say "Joy"!
Prince Akeem: Joy!
Rev. Brown: Joy! Can I get an "Ahe-men"? Don't be ashamed to call His name!
Awareness Woman: Yes, Lord!
Rev. Brown: Only God can give that woman the kind of joy she has right there! Make a joyful noise unto the Lord!
Prince Akeem: I am very happy to be here!
Rev. Brown: Amen! Yes, sir! Can I get an "Amen"? Ha! Ha! I don't know you what you come to do, but *I* come to praise the name! Lord, Lord!

LOL

[AKA_Monet]

Soul Glo...

[DSTCHAOS]

There go those African traditions!

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

There go those African traditions!

Cleland???