Biggest Rush Mistakes at any institution

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by macallan25

This is one of the most dumb fucking posts I have ever read on here.

Although I am not a KA......I have several friends that are at many different schools. In my experience, them and the other men in their respective chapters are nothing but stand up, respectful gentlemen.

KA "Order" was also not founded by Robert E. Lee. Good call though.

.....and how the hell does wearing a Civil War costume and going to a party with a date, who is dressed in an Antebellum style ball gown, a sign that you are a racist?

Here we go again.

[srmom]

And srmom apparently you do not know about American history if you think that any of the south's problems are from meddling in other states' affairs. We do mind our own business... like it or not.

phigam, you must have me confused with someone else cuz I don't know what in the heck you're talking about I was asking DST about her post, I haven't ever commented on any of your posts - til now.

My son is in the Kappa Alpha Order and he isn't racist and never has been. He has too many friends that are African American and too many relatives that are hispanic to be so. You are grossly over generalizing and it is not only rude, but also not acting like a gentleman (which you proclaim you are - vehemently).

Didn't your mother teach you that if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all? That is the southern way.

[ktbug10474]

SWTX i agree

ANY discrimination is ignorance. People can change it's not they can't it's that they won't because they don't want to feel uncomfortable doing something that isn't familiar to them.

[bowsandtoes]

To be honest, fraternities are about brining together people of similar character who have shared interests and backgrounds. It only makes sense that a lot of those groups would be made along racial lines. A chapter doesn't need diversity to be a good chapter.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by bowsandtoes

It only makes sense that a lot of those groups would be made along racial lines.

That only makes sense because this is still an extremely racially segregated society.

[nate2512]

The thing is, which is why I originally said that I think discriminatory laws in GLOs are pointless is because a black person may not fit in with my organization, thats not saying we would not take a black person, because it could happen, but very few rush here so thats doubtful, but if he does not fit in he gets cut. So he files a lawsuit against my chapter saying we racially discriminated against him. He has no case, because we tell the truth that he was released not for his race, but for the simple fact that we do not feel he fits in with our organizations and what we embody. We probably cut a vast exponentially larger number of white people to for the same thing. I know a white person on our campus that inquired about membership to a traditionally black organization and they told him they would not take him. Him and his black friend that he wanted to pledge with then inquired about our organizations, and we welcomed them both to rush us and discussed it and decided that we would bid them both but with their athletic schedule they decided not to.
Moral of the story, I am not a racist person, neither are any of the brothers in my chapter. And I am standing by my claim that discrimination laws in GLOs are pointless.

And now I stand by for someone to ridicule some part of post because its sure to happen.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nate2512

The thing is, which is why I originally said that I think discriminatory laws in GLOs are pointless is because a black person may not fit in with my organization, thats not saying we would not take a black person, because it could happen, but very few rush here so thats doubtful, but if he does not fit in he gets cut. So he files a lawsuit against my chapter saying we racially discriminated against him. He has no case, because we tell the truth that he was released not for his race, but for the simple fact that we do not feel he fits in with our organizations and what we embody. We probably cut a vast exponentially larger number of white people to for the same thing. I know a white person on our campus that inquired about membership to a traditionally black organization and they told him they would not take him. Him and his black friend that he wanted to pledge with then inquired about our organizations, and we welcomed them both to rush us and discussed it and decided that we would bid them both but with their athletic schedule they decided not to.
Moral of the story, I am not a racist person, neither are any of the brothers in my chapter. And I am standing by my claim that discrimination laws in GLOs are pointless.

And now I stand by for someone to ridicule some part of post because its sure to happen.

So the Obama supporter discussion was a perfect transition for you to discuss how you feel about race? That's what I told you the first time around. Did I miss where race (and BGLOs) was the topic of discussion before you started discussing Obama supporters?

[OLD_GOLD3]

My definition

When I was in high school and undergrad race was defined loosely as broader grouping of one’s ethnic background. Now I personally do not agree with the statement that there are fundamental differences between races socially. There may be slight cultural differences but that seems like an entirely different argument. If all applicants being what could be broadly defined as “American”, in the grand schemes of things there (in my opinion) are no differences. Social/economic differences amongst applicants is another story entirely, I would be naïve to assume that Fraternities do not discriminate socially, culturally or even racially.

But to stay on subject I believe the idea that people of different races can not get coexist in a Fraternity due to racial differences is absurd. Maybe socially yes but those all seem to personal “hang ups” one may choose not to associate with another person based on these principles. But I ultimately have a problem with the idea or defense of, with out calling it for what it is. Now if the term race was used to describe social difference or cultural differences, you can see how that can easily be misinterpreted. In defense of statement of that members of NPHC are equally just as exclusive as some of the other organizations mentioned are fundamentally unfounded. I can only speak for my organization and my experiences, but I have met many diverse chapters in my Fraternity and brothers equally as welcoming.

I can not speak for every brother and every chapter so I will not be that presumptuous, but in my experiences in my organization most are quite welcoming of diversity especially in the state I currently reside. Having attended two undergraduate universities in the south (maybe not the deep south) I have not seen racial exclusionary practices in most of the “orgs” I came across whether they were NPC, NPHC or NIC

“The Phinest men are made in Cambria”

[nittanyalum]

Wow how did this thread get to this ^^^ from this:


I actually miss Fratty's list of what to wear and what size/type/look of female to be seen in the company of...

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Wow how did this thread get to this ^^^ from this:


I actually miss Fratty's list of what to wear and what size/type/look of female to be seen in the company of...

Because I made a huge mistake.

[srmom]

MEANING, blacks and whites from similar socioeconomic backgrounds remain segregated from one another versus being more integrated based on social class and similar experiences. And that's the reality.

That is not true in all cases. Maybe in a generalized sense, but in specific cases, I think things are becoming much more racially integrated, and the segregation is based on cultural differences not race.

Case in point: at my son's high school, the kids who hang together are totally racially integrated - the athletes hang with the athletes with no racial divisions that I've seen, and it is like this in each cultural group - the theatre kids run with each other, the dance squad people all hang together, etc.

But, you will not see a "goth" kid or a "druggie", or whatever, hanging with an "athlete" or an "orchestra kid".

This is a high school that is economically homogenous but culturally diverse.

Just an example...

[SWTXBelle]

I think one problem with this topic is the different meanings ascribed to the same words - i.e. race, racism, culture, etc. - and the fact that misunderstandings occur when the terms are not defined, or if there is no consensus on the definitions.
-end of my hijack.

Anyone have an idea to get this back on topic?

[SWTXBelle]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Anyone have an idea to get this back on topic?

Hey, I tried!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Hey, I tried!

Several people did. (to no avail)

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Several people did. (to no avail)

And some of us just announced their head exploded.