2007 UGA Recruitment - Page 8

33girl · #**106** 08-14-2007, 05:25 PM

I searched on the Red & Black website and didn't find any current stories about a sorority on any sort of probation.

If this exists, and it isn't something coming down from the university or the Panhellenic, it's coming from the sorority's national HQ and as such is private sorority business that is not Panhellenic's place to disseminate to the public.

Ask the sorority themselves what the deal is.

UGAalum94 · #**107** 08-14-2007, 05:30 PM

I suspect the PNMs have that opportunity, but probably won't do it.

FSUZeta · #**108** 08-14-2007, 05:31 PM

sororities may be limited or prohibited by the amount or the ability to hold social events for a certain period of time, but they can never be punished by denying them the chance to recruit or the number of new members they are allowed to take(meaning that they are allowed the same number of new members as the other sororities).

i hate tent talk!

33girl · #**109** 08-14-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

sororities may be limited or prohibited by the amount or the ability to hold social events for a certain period of time, but they can never be punished by denying them the chance to recruit or the number of new members they are allowed to take(meaning that they are allowed the same number of new members as the other sororities).

i hate tent talk!

The national HQ can dictate that they can take less NMs than quota but a Panhellenic can't. This was done in a fairly famous hazing case.

SmartBlondeGPhB · #**110** 08-14-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

I of course called my friend and told her about the recs yesterday and that they were important. She said when she called Arizona they laughed at her and said their rush is not at all like the "South" -- it is much more laid back so she was assured she did not need the recs. I sure hope she does not encounter anything different when she arrives as that would be disappointing! Had the same conversation with my friend whose D is going to Penn State too!

They may not "be required" but they can never hurt. Knowing what our chapter is like at AZ, I'd say having recs might not be a bad idea.

#**111** 08-14-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

i hate tent talk!

It's like playing telephone. The PNMs are bombarded with tent talk, they tell mom and dad, mom and dad report to us.

Much of tent talk is ridiculous and absurd to begin with. By the time it gets back to GC it's at a whole 'nother level.

FSUZeta · #**112** 08-14-2007, 05:38 PM

thank you for clarifying that 33-i meant to say panhellenic, but in my recruitment workshop addled brain, i forgot!

houstonchica · #**113** 08-14-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Okay. Who is on social probation and how does anyone know it?

While it might be true and fair to disclose it to the girls, it also might be rumor and tent talk, getting girls to discount a group that isn't really facing this issue.

What's the story? What do you know?

Just a guess but the tent talk may be related to this story...

http://media.www.redandblack.com/med...-2821579.shtml

If you search the archives of the Red & Black back to early April, you will find more editorials and articles related to the incident.

UGADad · #**114** 08-14-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cluelessUGAmom

I would certainly vote for this to be known to the recruits! I haven't heard anything about it but again it is information that they should be allowed to factor into their decision -- at least by the prefs round!

I agree. UGADaughter's mom told her that if the answer is important to her, she should call the Greek Office and ask. I would hope they would tell her the truth. If those are the sanctions -- a more limited pledge class and social restrictions -- it seems like very relevant information for a prospective member to have. UGADaughter talked to her mom after doing her rankings today. She said it was very difficult for her but that she knows she has been very lucky so far. Its a little ironic that, with all she is hearing about the cuts, she said she is worried about hurting the feelings of some of the actives with whom she feels she has developed a bond.

I think we'll ALL be glad when this is over.

UGAMOM01 · #**115** 08-14-2007, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW

It's like playing telephone. The PNMs are bombarded with tent talk, they tell mom and dad, mom and dad report to us.

Much of tent talk is ridiculous and absurd to begin with. By the time it gets back to GC it's at a whole 'nother level.

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Originally Posted by houstonchica

Just a guess but the tent talk may be related to this story...

http://media.www.redandblack.com/med...-2821579.shtml

If you search the archives of the Red & Black back to early April, you will find more editorials and articles related to the incident.

Thank you for finding this link. I too hate gossip or as earlier referred to as "tent talk" but in this case, I'm afraid that there is truth to the situation. However, the error of information may very well be in the disciplinary action given to the chapter.

IF this is TRUE, it is my opinion that the girls should be informed; it may or may not matter but it shouldn't be withheld.

UGAalum94 · #**116** 08-14-2007, 05:49 PM

I wouldn't think that cutting your own numbers be a good strategy at UGA. You'd just ensure the chapter had a really hard time bouncing back.

(For hazing, it might make sense, but we'd find news reports if this situation had anything to do with hazing, I think.)

But it's hard to see how setting your org. up to take less that quota is going to be a long term win in that environment.

As far as social probation, if this is the actual case, it seems like a decent internal solution. And as strong as the organization that might be involved is, honestly it shouldn't be a big deterrent to pledging for a sincere PNM. But I guess it depends on the severity of what it means.

UGAMOM01 · #**117** 08-14-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

I wouldn't think that'd be a good strategy at UGA. You'd just ensure the chapter had a really hard time bouncing back.

(For hazing, it might make sense, but we'd find news reports if this situation had anything to do with hazing, I think.)

But it's hard to see how setting your org. up to take less that quota is going to be a long term win in that environment.

It might not appear to be a good strategy, but it would put the facts out for the girls. For some recruits, this wouldn't matter, but for others it might make a huge difference in making their selection. Heck, with over 1300 girls and the number of girls who are already being cut, surely they would be still be able to recruit outstanding girls.

I go back to an early comment: The UGA Panhel council should put it ALL out there for the girls to know... the good, bad, and ugly.

UGAMOM01 · #**118** 08-14-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UGADad

I agree. UGADaughter's mom told her that if the answer is important to her, she should call the Greek Office and ask. I would hope they would tell her the truth. If those are the sanctions -- a more limited pledge class and social restrictions -- it seems like very relevant information for a prospective member to have. UGADaughter talked to her mom after doing her rankings today. She said it was very difficult for her but that she knows she has been very lucky so far. Its a little ironic that, with all she is hearing about the cuts, she said she is worried about hurting the feelings of some of the actives with whom she feels she has developed a bond.

I think we'll ALL be glad when this is over.

UGADad..... AMEN!

UGADad · #**119** 08-14-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaGamUGAAlum

Okay. Who is on social probation and how does anyone know it?

While it might be true and fair to disclose it to the girls, it also might be rumor and tent talk, getting girls to discount a group that isn't really facing this issue.

What's the story? What do you know?

I hope the actives will disclose the truth to the girls during pref night. We had seen the story, but we are well aware that newspaper stories, particularly campus papers, aren't above exageration and sensationalism. From what we're hearing this is a great group of girls and I suspect the rumors are far worse than reality. Hopefully the actives will decide that it is in their best interests to come clean and address the situation -- otherwise the pnms will believe the worst.

UGAalum94 · #**120** 08-14-2007, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UGAMOM01

It might not appear to be a good strategy, but it would put the facts out for the girls. For some recruits, this wouldn't matter, but for others it might make a huge difference in making their selection. Heck, with over 1300 girls and the number of girls who are already being cut, surely they would be still be able to recruit outstanding girls.

I go back to an early comment: The UGA Panhel council should put it ALL out there for the girls to know... the good, bad, and ugly.

For the record, I meant only the strategy of the group itself decide to reduce the numbers it took this year.

If a group is being punished, it seems only far to let the PNMs know it. BUT you have to be careful, because a lot of what people hear isn't true.