Three Hospitalized (Alcohol) at U of Central Florida

[macallan25]

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

i think the problem with most discussions on "hazing" is that you all refuse to agree on a working definition, which renders everything posted invalid

You are correct, Sir!
Something that Brother Mac and I figured out in another thread somewhere here in RM

Part, and only part, of the problem is that laws, policies, Acts, POV's et al are themselves so broad and wide.

As are the actions and thoughts of the people they are aimed at.

[ZTAngel]

I have a few comments about that letter. For starters, it's been exactly 6 years since the GHB incident. It happened during Homecoming 2000. I should know because we were doing Homecoming with SAE that year.

Furthermore, the GHB incident wasn't just some brother making and selling the drug in the house. The brother ended up making a lethal dose of GHB which he sold to some Kappa Sigs who were using the drug to help with their work-outs. (a lot of bodybuilders use GHB for this purpose) Two of the brothers were violently ill and another brother was put on life support for days. It was a horrible and sobering experience for the entire UCF Greek community.

Whether you like it or not, the past indiscretions of organizations are always brought up in the future. It happens with companies as well. There are a ton of companies out there who are still paying the price for something that happened many years ago. It does not matter that the people who were involved in the unfortunate incidents are no longer around. People tend to remember negatives more than positives - it's just a fact of life. The best thing a group can do is learn from the mistakes that their older members have made in the past and do their best not to make those mistakes again.

I don't think anyone will truly know what happened at the SAE house that night. But, when you have suspicious activity at the house for the 3rd time in 6 years, it doesn't look good. And the people who determined SAE's fate would, of course, look at the history. Had this been the first time the UCF SAEs had a problem, I'd bet they'd still be on campus right now.

Let this be a lesson to all undergraduates. You might think that what your chapter did 5 or 10 years ago doesn't or shouldn't matter. It does matter. Learn from the mistakes that your brothers and sisters made and don't screw up again.

[AGDee]

I'd just like to add that it is incredibly stupid to post something in the media that admits guilt to anything as this letter did. It can so easily be used against you, your brothers, the officers, your Inter/National organization, etc.

[fifi225]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

Yeah. I was amazed. They basically said, "yeah, we did it, but it's not that big of a deal."

Well I mean...at some point you lose all plausable denyability anyway. I don't think that them saying "yeah we did it" is so awful...they did. It's the "but it's not that big of a deal" part...

[adpiucf]

I found the fact that they were comparing themselves to the modern Germans having to pay repartions for the atrocities of WW2 to be a bit of a stretch. If there are several allegations and incidents within a close span of years it does not matter if you were "12 years old" when the first alleged incident occured. It's called social responsibility and repeated allegations and incidents in the news leads to a pattern of behavior where the older members are going to attract similiar newer members and encourage similiar patterns of behavior.

That being said... Closing a chapter, whatever the reason, is never an easy decision. My sympathies do go out to the members, SAE and the UCF Greek Community. It affects everyone.

That also being said I hope the men of the closed chapter maintain their friendships but at least respect the decision that they are a closed chapter. Holding unofficial events (as we have seen happen at other campuses) with other Greek groups will only lead to further disruption in the UCF Greek System, not to mention the Risk Management issues involved for all concerned. I hope all concerned (closed chapter and active chapters) have the common sense to maintain their friendships and realize that there are to be no parties or activities with "SAE." I'd hate to see a sorority lose recognition or be placed on probabtion for failing to use good judgement.

[fifi225]

"University officials said the fraternity admitted to disorderly conduct and alcohol- and drug-related misconduct during an administrative hearing Friday. The university found the fraternity in violation of UCF's policy against hazing."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...home-headlines


6 years until SAE can even think about rejoining the UCF greek community. Ouch.

[fifi225]

Originally Posted by jessXIca

I eagerly await information regarding the house...

You and me both. I'd love to see chi omega finally get a house. I'd love even more to see theta get a house, but I think I'm a little bit biased on that subject ;-)

I'm not sure what will happen to the house it's owned by a charatable organization associated with SAE so the question becomes, will they allow another organization to take over (and will any GLO settle for taking something over "in the interum") . I'd imagine that SAE hopes to someday recolonize at UCF, in which case they would probably want the house avaliable.

I feel bad for the guys that have had to uproot and move, especially since not all of them were present for the "incident" but now all of them have to vacate.

[strubbe]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Although this makes no sense.....as usual....mostly because you have yet to get a firm grasp on the English language at your old age..........I am going to assume that this should be translated as: "Has he never heard of a chapter removed from a campus for hazing (?). "
To this, I would reply : Yes, moron, I have heard of chapters getting removed from campuses. This is a moot point and has nothing to do with the current conversation.



Backers of the proper/traditional way to pledge a fraternity are becoming extinct.

.......and it is destroying the Greek system.

Just wanted to throw this out there... My fraternity was founded against the ideals that you are so fond of. What is proper or traditional to one organization is not necessarily proper or traditional for another.

Interesting thread...