Stomp the Yard

[7thSonofOsiris]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

I am a strong supporter of the arts and disagree with art being created by committee in the way that you describe.

You misread me Senusret. The purpose of seeking to assemble, was to maybe reach a positive outcome over the use of letters that were infringed upon, secondly for a "committee" to assemble to allow for discussion about how the subject matter may be altered if and when referencing true greek organizations and stepping. Lastly, you never know, maybe if there would have been an assembly with some representatives prior to the creation of this movie, it may have allowed for a better show of support, response to and outcome for this wackumentary, all of which is the opposite of what happened. Not to alter the holistic production, or to halt the artistic creativity associated with this movie, though, I don't see any art in this jokah.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by 7thSonofOsiris

You misread me Senusret. The purpose of seeking to assemble, was to maybe reach a positive outcome over the use of letters that were infringed upon, secondly for a "committee" to assemble to allow for discussion about how the subject matter may be altered if and when referencing true greek organizations and stepping. Lastly, you never know, maybe if there would have been an assembly with some representatives prior to the creation of this movie, it may have allowed for a better show of support, response to and outcome for this wackumentary, all of which is the opposite of what happened. Not to alter the holistic production, or to halt the artistic creativity associated with this movie, though, I don't see any art in this jokah.

I didn't misread you. Your "secondly" part of your message is exactly what I meant.

[SummerChild]

7thSon, I hear you with the committee although I don't know if I agree with it - but my point for posting is to ask the question of how is the portrayal of stereotypes here any different from what the AA man wrote or produced Boys N the Hood did? I wonder if he formed a committee to determine whether his movie would garner the support or disapproval of the portrayed population - in that case, the AA population at large. Movie directors and producers probably are often portraying whatever is in their minds w/out forming any kinds of groups or anything else to determine how it will be received by the affected population. This is just another example of that.

How is Boyz N the Hood any different on that front?

SC

Originally Posted by 7thSonofOsiris

You misread me Senusret. The purpose of seeking to assemble, was to maybe reach a positive outcome over the use of letters that were infringed upon, secondly for a "committee" to assemble to allow for discussion about how the subject matter may be altered if and when referencing true greek organizations and stepping. Lastly, you never know, maybe if there would have been an assembly with some representatives prior to the creation of this movie, it may have allowed for a better show of support, response to and outcome for this wackumentary, all of which is the opposite of what happened. Not to alter the holistic production, or to halt the artistic creativity associated with this movie, though, I don't see any art in this jokah.

[SummerChild]

LOL. I know Soror. But we both know how expensive an endeavor that can be. Guess they found another, less expensive solution.

SC

Originally Posted by SKEEphistAKAte

This is what I was thinking. The lawyer in us... tee hee.

[7thSonofOsiris]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

7thSon, I hear you with the committee although I don't know if I agree with it - but my point for posting is to ask the question of how is the portrayal of stereotypes here any different from what the AA man wrote or produced Boys N the Hood did? I wonder if he formed a committee to determine whether his movie would garner the support or disapproval of the portrayed population - in that case, the AA population at large. Movie directors and producers probably are often portraying whatever is in their minds w/out forming any kinds of groups or anything else to determine how it will be received by the affected population. This is just another example of that.

How is Boyz N the Hood any different on that front?

SC

SummerChild,

The difference to me is, the subject matter in and of itself. The contrast between the making of a movie about steppin', as opposed to one about the 'hood/ gang bangin' and all of that, makes me pose the question, who would that be sacred to anyway, if only to the people who were into that lifestyle? But to make a movie that involves an action or event that is sacred to many, many who traversed the terrain to become Bruhs or Sorors, should in my opinion, be treated a little more tenuously. What is the cost for depicting the sacred nature of an action that comes as a result of a sacred journey? The cost is the demystification of the action/event and to me, the possible de-mystification of the journey. Do we have to allow everything to become demystified in our culture and commercialized? Na.

I agree with you about the creative mindsets that make movie magic, with no true concern about the affects of the pre-affected population. But to what cost is there, during the making of a movie that depicts and details Doughboy and Tre' growing up in the hood? You have to decide that yourself. For me, there was nothing sacred lost when that movie was made. No one was trying to keep the secrets of bangin', mystified. The nation was already keeping record of the African American lives that were lost, decade to decade, year to year. But, there was a cost to making that movie. As a matter of fact, one cost that was immediate was when real lives were lost when fights and crap broke out at the movie theaters nationwide. An additional cost was, when those actions by some of us AAs, actually confirmed some of the stereotypes that existed about us, prior to that movie.

7thSon

[SummerChild]

7thSon, I guess in order to get my point one would have to identify with the people in the Boyz N the Hood movie as AAs, not merely as gangbangers. As an AA, I felt that those stereotypes would pervade the minds of our nation as to what generally goes on in our neighborhoods, which is not the case in many instances. In the same way, the nation as a whole will generally be deceived as to what stepping is really all about. My analogy was to make the point that I don't know how realistic it is to expect movie makers to consult with populations that may be affected by however the movie maker is portraying a group. For example, although you don't identify with the gangbangers, probably the portrayal of AA men as gangbangers has shaped the way in which others view you. Not that I care about that, but my point is just that no one asked *you* before they went making that movie...although it probably had an affect on the way that you are viewed so why should we expect these AA men to ask us now that this movie may affect the way that BGLOs and stepping is viewed?

The probably *should* ask but even if they did, do we expect them to change the story if the reaction is negative? Shoot, they didn't even change the story in the face of a threat of a lawsuit. Stubborn, stubborn.

SC

Originally Posted by 7thSonofOsiris

SummerChild,

The difference to me is, the subject matter in and of itself. The contrast between the making of a movie about steppin', as opposed to one about the 'hood/ gang bangin' and all of that, makes me pose the question, who would that be sacred to anyway, if only to the people who were into that lifestyle? But to make a movie that involves an action or event that is sacred to many, many who traversed the terrain to become Bruhs or Sorors, should in my opinion, be treated a little more tenuously. What is the cost for depicting the sacred nature of an action that comes as a result of a sacred journey? The cost is the demystification of the action/event and to me, the possible de-mystification of the journey. Do we have to allow everything to become demystified in our culture and commercialized? Na.

I agree with you about the creative mindsets that make movie magic, with no true concern about the affects of the pre-affected population. But to what cost is there, during the making of a movie that depicts and details Doughboy and Tre' growing up in the hood? You have to decide that yourself. For me, there was nothing sacred lost when that movie was made. No one was trying to keep the secrets of bangin', mystified. The nation was already keeping record of the African American lives that were lost, decade to decade, year to year. But, there was a cost to making that movie. As a matter of fact, one cost that was immediate was when real lives were lost when fights and crap broke out at the movie theaters nationwide. An additional cost was, when those actions by some of us AAs, actually confirmed some of the stereotypes that existed about us, prior to that movie.

7thSon

[DeltaBetaBaby]

On your campuses, to whom do you promote step shows? How about your organizations in general?

I have always gotten the impression that information on the D9 was on a sort of "need to know" basis, and was never really exposed to it, though I was very involved on my campus. The first time I learned about stepping was at a presidents retreat attended by NPC, IFC, and NPHC groups.

Maybe I misinterpreted the messages that I got about intake, and generalized them to the point where I didn't want to ask anything about BGLO's, but my point is, if your groups are worried about the impact of this movie, combat it by educating more people about your orgs.

[southernelle25]

Originally Posted by SummerChild

Well, I may not be grasping the full picture but I understand them to be saying that they demanded that the symbols, etc. be removed and it seems that they are saying that they were. That does not appear monetary to me but moreso a protection of their name. In my earlier post, I noted that the guys were wearing other non-Alpha Phi Alpha letters so maybe this was a trailer done after the revision.

All that money and frustration. The silly, very silly, filmakers could have simply *started with* different letters to begin with. What a waste of time and money.

ETA: I just saw the full trailer when I went to see "The Pursuit of Happyness" and Alpha Phi Alpha para and folk wearing it was all in the movie ... still. Oh well, I'm sure they got it.

Interesting. The last trailer I saw of the film, no one was wearing any letters at all... just blank hoodies.

*Wait, just saw it again. There appears to be something on the shirts in the first clips. I can't make it out.

7thSon, I guess in order to get my point one would have to identify with the people in the Boyz N the Hood movie as AAs, not merely as gangbangers. As an AA, I felt that those stereotypes would pervade the minds of our nation as to what generally goes on in our neighborhoods, which is not the case in many instances. In the same way, the nation as a whole will generally be deceived as to what stepping is really all about. My analogy was to make the point that I don't know how realistic it is to expect movie makers to consult with populations that may be affected by however the movie maker is portraying a group. ...

The probably *should* ask but even if they did, do we expect them to change the story if the reaction is negative? Shoot, they didn't even change the story in the face of a threat of a lawsuit. Stubborn, stubborn.

True, but they did make some changes. I would like to see more of us speak out just as passionately regarding these other films too. Whether a film is glorifying violence or minimizing the significance of our institutions, when it is creating a false and dangerous image of us to us we shouldn't stand quietly by and allow it to happen.

Originally Posted by MeezDiscreet

does anyone else think it is majorly WACK that the "college" the characters are attending is called "Truth University?"

Lord...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

On your campuses, to whom do you promote step shows?

The campus and community.

[ladygreek]

Originally Posted by southernelle25

Interesting. The last trailer I saw of the film, no one was wearing any letters at all... just blank hoodies.

I saw the trailer on Tues. when I went to see Dreamgirls. It was much longer than what is shown on TV and did show the letters.

Now it is possible they changed the movie, but not the trailer.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

The campus and community.

That's great. My guess would be that most of those people are smart enough to realize that the step show may be a big event, but it hardly defines your sorority/fraternity.

I think that if you promote your orgs, and have been doing so all along, then nobody is going to change their whole opinion based on one movie. Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand why some orgs would choose to boycott, but one movie shouldn't undo years of history in anyone's mind.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

That's great. My guess would be that most of those people are smart enough to realize that the step show may be a big event, but it hardly defines your sorority/fraternity.

I think that if you promote your orgs, and have been doing so all along, then nobody is going to change their whole opinion based on one movie. Don't get me wrong, I certainly understand why some orgs would choose to boycott, but one movie shouldn't undo years of history in anyone's mind.

Many people are attracted to the things that seem entertaining. Just like other GLOers who identify with Greek Week and fraternity parties but not service and scholarship. I believe this is just more salient for BGLOs due to the history of media misrepresentation that blacks have had in this country, as well as what BGLOs were founded to represent.

My understanding is that the formal boycott is really about the unauthorized use of letters and not about people's perceptions of us. I understood the informal boycott to be about people's perceptions of us based on the movie.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Many people are attracted to the things that seem entertaining. Just like other GLOers who identify with Greek Week and fraternity parties but not service and scholarship. I believe this is just more salient for BGLOs due to the history of media misrepresentation that blacks have had in this country, as well as what BGLOs were founded to represent.

Understandable. Even as a member of a GLO on a mixed campus, I knew more about step shows than about any other activities done by the Black Greek Council, and I would guess that they knew even less about us. I would agree, though, that it was worse for the BGLO's, because I suspect they really did a lot more service than most of the IFC and PHC chapters.

I guess my earlier point is that, for better or for worse, there is a certain shroud of secrecy surrounding the D9. Is that intentional, or is that just the impression I get from the closed nature of intake?

FWIW, step shows have alway impressed me with the amount of dedication, teamwork, and tradition that goes into stepping, and I hope some of that will come across in the movie.

[jubilance1922]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Understandable. Even as a member of a GLO on a mixed campus, I knew more about step shows than about any other activities done by the Black Greek Council, and I would guess that they knew even less about us. I would agree, though, that it was worse for the BGLO's, because I suspect they really did a lot more service than most of the IFC and PHC chapters.

I guess my earlier point is that, for better or for worse, there is a certain shroud of secrecy surrounding the D9. Is that intentional, or is that just the impression I get from the closed nature of intake?

FWIW, step shows have alway impressed me with the amount of dedication, teamwork, and tradition that goes into stepping, and I hope some of that will come across in the movie.

While matters regarding membership intake are not discussed in a general forum such as GC, other aspects of BGLO life, such as community service, has never been a secret. Why? Because that is the basis for our organizations.

[SKEEphistAKAte]

Originally Posted by mccoyred

Here is the rub. While I have since found out that Alpha Phi Alpha is supporting us in our issue with BSP, where was AKA when all of this started? Does AKA think they can get something for their 100th from these jokers or what? It seems that AKA jumped to the support of Alpha, their 'brothers' but is ghost when it comes to DST. After all, DST and AKA have a shared history. I guess we will see what happens when "BSP:The Genesis" is released....

AKA owes DST naught.