National "Personality"

[Drolefille]

Originally posted by ladygreek
*hijack* YAY for Alpha Omega Citywide chapter of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Incorporated! btw, there used to be a campus based chapter at UMSL, but because of low numbers it eventually merged with Alpha Omega. *end of hijack*

LOL
You know, I haven't seen them on SLU's campus. I know AKA is at least somewhat affiliated with Harris Stowe (they started here when it was Stowe Teacher's College) but SLU does not formally recognize any of them.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by Drolefille
That's why I put "market" in quotes. Several people had said they were aware of NPHC groups because of activities in high school and such. NPC groups may work with kids as part of their philanthropy, but it the focus is in a different area. I don't think that NPC groups would be allowed to have auxilary groups focused on high school students. Not outside of philanthropy I mean. I think a lot of it comes to the way we each look for new members. The structure of NPC pretty much prohibits that sort of in depth interaction with high schoolers, unless everyone did it. NPHC recruiting (at least as it seems to me) is focused on only one group instead of all of them.

I hope I make sense... I don't mean that any of the D9 are out there flaunting it to high school students, just that by their nature they have the ability to work more with them... or something.... yeah.

Delta does not have auxilary groups. We have national programs implemented on the chapter level that serve youth and teens, e.g. Betty Shabazz Delta Academy, Delta GEMS, Debutante Balls, etc. But these are not recruiting efforts, they are community service efforts. And they are implemented by alumnae chapters as well as collegiate chapters.

We are prohibited from having high school interest groups.

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by Drolefille
I know that my situation in Saint Louis is not unique. Many schools do not recognize NPHC organizations and instead city-wide chapters are common. I am not maintaining that this is the case the majority of the time, just that it is not uncommon. For St. Louis to have city wide chapter that means, St. Louis U, Wash U, Fontbonne, Webster, and several other schools don't formally recognize the chapter as a campus organization.

This isn't a dig at the NPHC at all. Perhaps someone else can provide more detail, but some schools consider the NPHC organizations to be discriminatory because they only accept black men and women. (NOTE: I know this is not always or even necessarily often the case, but I've seen topics here where NPHC members openly question the sense of having white people as their sorors. I'm not judging this one way or the other, just commenting)

Delta actually has more campus-based collegiate chapters than citywide. Sometime we choose to be city wide because the individual schools in a community have low percentages of Black enrollments, so to maintain a viable chapter we wish to pull from all of the schools in a city. It is that way here in Minneapolis/St. Paul.

In other cases the school will not allow additional GLOs on campus so then we go the city wide route.

And finally, sometimes we just don't want to be bound to a specific campus, because of the restrictions they may put on us.

In St. Louis, Alpha Omega began as a campus-based chapter at Harris/Stowe (as you said then Stowe Teachers College.) However, it changed its designation to citywide to be able to accomodate Wash U., SLU, etc. that did not have a critical mass of Black women from which to form a chapter. And I already mentioned UMSL and the now-defunct Eta Pi chapter.

Lastly, we also have core chapters that are based at a specific campus, but are allowed to recruit from nearby campuses. In these cases approval is required from all of the schools involved.

[Drolefille]

I guess the clarification is that SLU wouldn't approve such a relationship, while Wash U has a Black Greek Council to help WashU students of NPHC chapters... I'm not trying to make any claim that it is happens the majority of the time, but I do know that not all schools will deal with the NPHC because they consider them discriminatory.

Could SLU support an NPHC chapter or two? Maybe one fraternity and one sorority, but more options are available with the city-wide chapters. Instead of one or two, nine or more are available.

(SLU does have many multicultural orgs (Black STudent Assoc, Hispanic And Latino Org (oy I think), ASIA, etc. just no MCGLOs or NPHC orgs)

[jitterbug13]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Delta actually has more campus-based collegiate chapters than citywide. Sometime we choose to be city wide because the individual schools in a community have low percentages of Black enrollments, so to maintain a viable chapter we wish to pull from all of the schools in a city. It is that way here in Minneapolis/St. Paul.

In other cases the school will not allow additional GLOs on campus so then we go the city wide route.

And finally, sometimes we just don't want to be bound to a specific campus, because of the restrictions they may put on us.

In St. Louis, Alpha Omega began as a campus-based chapter at Harris/Stowe (as you said then Stowe Teachers College.) However, it changed its designation to citywide to be able to accomodate Wash U., SLU, etc. that did not have a critical mass of Black women from which to form a chapter. And I already mentioned UMSL and the now-defunct Eta Pi chapter.

Lastly, we also have core chapters that are based at a specific campus, but are allowed to recruit from nearby campuses. In these cases approval is required from all of the schools involved.

We have this in SC for undergrads. Spartanburg City-wide chapter has Wofford, USC-Upstate (formally USC Spartanburg), Converse College (an all women's school) and Furman (in Greenville). Also the chapter at Allen University in Columbia also take members from Columbia College (another all women's school). Most of the other undergrad schools (ex. Carolina, Clemson, C of C) have individual chapters.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Drolefille
I guess the clarification is that SLU wouldn't approve such a relationship, while Wash U has a Black Greek Council to help WashU students of NPHC chapters... I'm not trying to make any claim that it is happens the majority of the time, but I do know that not all schools will deal with the NPHC because they consider them discriminatory.

Could SLU support an NPHC chapter or two? Maybe one fraternity and one sorority, but more options are available with the city-wide chapters. Instead of one or two, nine or more are available.

(SLU does have many multicultural orgs (Black STudent Assoc, Hispanic And Latino Org (oy I think), ASIA, etc. just no MCGLOs or NPHC orgs)

For the last time, I'd like to point out that NPHC orgs DO NOT DISCRIMINATE and anyone that says we do is WRONG! All of our orgs have non-discrimination clauses. I know many NPHC greeks that aren't Black, so obviously we don't discriminate.

Please don't perpetuate something that isn't true. Its annoying and degrading.

And do you know for a FACT that SLU doesn't allow NPHC because of discrimination, or was that something that someone told you? My sorority has separate chapters at Harris-Stowe and UMSL, as well as SLU (though I don't know if its active).

In general, its probably a better idea to let NPHC greeks speak on NPHC matters, since we are directly involved. That way false information isn't given.

[Drolefille]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
For the last time, I'd like to point out that NPHC orgs DO NOT DISCRIMINATE and anyone that says we do is WRONG! All of our orgs have non-discrimination clauses. I know many NPHC greeks that aren't Black, so obviously we don't discriminate.

Please don't perpetuate something that isn't true. Its annoying and degrading.

And do you know for a FACT that SLU doesn't allow NPHC because of discrimination, or was that something that someone told you? My sorority has separate chapters at Harris-Stowe and UMSL, as well as SLU (though I don't know if its active).

In general, its probably a better idea to let NPHC greeks speak on NPHC matters, since we are directly involved. That way false information isn't given.

I know that NPHC does not discriminate. I never said that it did and I tried to make that very very clear. I can tell you that there are NO NPHC orgs on campus as campus orgs. And that SLU has not allowed them in the past, and does not now.

This was explained to us NPC people at one point, now, it could a)been explained by the Greek Advisor wrong, or b) have changed since then.

This was never an attack on NPHC orgs, simply an attempt at explaining why I am so unfamiliar with them, and so would other people on my campus, because there is much less of a presence here.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Drolefille
I know that NPHC does not discriminate. I never said that it did and I tried to make that very very clear. I can tell you that there are NO NPHC orgs on campus as campus orgs. And that SLU has not allowed them in the past, and does not now.

This was explained to us NPC people at one point, now, it could a)been explained by the Greek Advisor wrong, or b) have changed since then.

This was never an attack on NPHC orgs, simply an attempt at explaining why I am so unfamiliar with them, and so would other people on my campus, because there is much less of a presence here.

Well at some point SLU DID allow NPHC orgs, because my sorority has a chapter chartered there (Alpha Psi for those that were wondering). I'm curious to find out the situation at SLU from an administrator.

And btw, you said:

I'm not trying to make any claim that it is happens the majority of the time, but I do know that not all schools will deal with the NPHC because they consider them discriminatory.

That's why I responded about the discrimination clauses. You did mention it, and its false, so I wanted to put the correct information out.

[PM_Mama00]

She also said that "they consider".... not that they do discriminate. Although I see your frustration with that, there is no need to jump on her like that.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
She also said that "they consider".... not that they do discriminate. Although I see your frustration with that, there is no need to jump on her like that.

Jump on who? Maybe things shouldn't be taken so personally. Trust me, I can be a lot meaner, but I wasn't.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Delta actually has more campus-based collegiate chapters than citywide. Sometime we choose to be city wide because the individual schools in a community have low percentages of Black enrollments, so to maintain a viable chapter we wish to pull from all of the schools in a city. It is that way here in Minneapolis/St. Paul.

As someone who was active in a city-wide chapter I have struggled with my feelings on them. I can understand it in instances where there are campuses that can't sustain a chapter but in large cities (Chicago) I think they can make life difficult. Each university has its own policies about events/funding/maintaining a presence on campus and it can be a big headache.

[ladygreek]

Jubilance,
Is your collegiate chapter citywide, or campus based at the U? Nu Epsilon is citywide, but recognized at the U as a student org, thus they are able to use the facilities, etc.

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Jubilance,
Is your collegiate chapter citywide, or campus based at the U? Nu Epsilon is citywide, but recognized at the U as a student org, thus they are able to use the facilities, etc.

My chapter is campus based. With all the colleges in the Twin Cities, I can definately see the advantages of having a city wide chapter.

[Drolefille]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
Well at some point SLU DID allow NPHC orgs, because my sorority has a chapter chartered there (Alpha Psi for those that were wondering). I'm curious to find out the situation at SLU from an administrator.

And btw, you said:



That's why I responded about the discrimination clauses. You did mention it, and its false, so I wanted to put the correct information out.

I know I said that the school considered it so, I also tried to establish many a time that I know that this isn't the case, at the same time I've seen discussions on here where NPHC members said that they weren't sure they'd be ok with a white person joining and that though they'd never met a white soror if they did, they'd want to question them or wouldn't consider them truly part of the sorority. This is individual and not institutional but obviously discrimination still exists in every facet of life, sadly sometimes even in Greek Life.

[starang21]

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