NPHC life at Howard

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by CarolinaCutie
You were the one who said they were over-achievers. It was definitely a poor choice on my part to assume that you were actually being serious and complimentary to the school. I didn't even look at the link until just now. Whether the students there are academic over-achievers or not has little bearing on the competitive nature of sorority rush there. Your statistics don't mention the average GPA there- so unless SAT scores start being a requirement to join a sorority, it's not really relevant.

Hmmmm, I need to go back and look, because I thought he was being serious, too. I should have known better.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rudey
And my purpose was probably a little sarcasm. I don't deny that. That's my personality. We are who we are.

Interesting how others are censored and/or placed on "ignore" when personalities "clash." If it's all about personality types, what's the big deal?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by CarolinaCutie
You were the one who said they were over-achievers. It was definitely a poor choice on my part to assume that you were actually being serious and complimentary to the school. I didn't even look at the link until just now. Whether the students there are academic over-achievers or not has little bearing on the competitive nature of sorority rush there. Your statistics don't mention the average GPA there- so unless SAT scores start being a requirement to join a sorority, it's not really relevant.

Yes, Carolina, I know I was the one who said they were over achievers.

Let me repeat my post for you while bolding a few words: "Carolina, you did refer to me calling them over-achievers, did you not?"

The statistics have more than SAT scores, but you chose to only focus on them.

If you do know the average GPA of BGLOs at the school, interests at the school, and the overall student populace, I encourage you to post that.

-Rudey
--Keep extending something out now as much as you can...I'm fine with it.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rudey
By the way, since you weren't an Econ major, I would refrain from talking about econ as if it's just all based on stats. Most people in any subject do rely on data and documents from History to Econ to come up with conclusions and arguments (it's called evidence). In fact I believe once you finish law school, you will see lawyers in courts submit documents, facts, data, etc. as evidence quite frequently.

-Rudey
--PS I major in Public Policy also and did the whole science track.

Is Rudey still an undergrad, by the way?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by ladygreek
Hmmmm, I need to go back and look, because I thought he was being serious, too. I should have known better.

Now, now. Let's relax a second.

I don't think Howard students in general are of the same potential as Harvard students. I didn't think my school's students were of the same potential either.

I just had an issue with saying they were the best of the best and thus better than other schools, or, in other words, other schools were worse.

I encourage peace, love, and understanding on Greekchat.com.

-Rudey
--I also encourage Carolina to be more clear in her comments and language.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rudey
I didn't think my school's students were of the same potential either.

Sounds like a personal problem. I don't think Harvard students are of the potential people assume they are.

[The Truth]

Howard Beats Harvard at National Moot Court Competition
>
>By Ayesha Rascoe
>
>Black College WireThe Howard University Law School's moot court team took
>first place in the American Bar Association Mock Trial Competition, the
>first team representing a historically black college or university to do
>so.
>
>
>Photo credit: The Hilltop
>
>"We are the best trial advocates," said a member of Howard's Huver I. Brown
>Trial Adovocacy Moot Court Team.
>
>Eighteen law schools, including two-time, reigning champion Harvard
>University, competed. "It solidified the fact that although others think we
>are a third-tier law school, we are the best trial advocates," said Chris
>Stewart, a third-year law student and a team member. "No mathematical
>equation can calculate our excellence in trial advocacy." Stewart was named
>best advocate in the April 2 competition. The Huver I. Brown Trial
>Adovocacy Moot Court Team includes 20 law students in their second and
>third years. The tournament, now in its 15th year, hosted teams of four.
>Stewart, Adonna Bannister, Nisha Brooks and Derrick Simmons represented the
>law school. Team members were chosen through a series of competitions.
>First, open slots for the moot court team were filled through an
>intra-school competition at the end of the spring semester. In the fall
>term, members competed among themselves to decide who would represent the
>university in tournaments. "Our success is due to our faith in
> each other as teammates, our diligent preparation and our belief that we
>will do whatever is necessary to represent our school and our community to
>the best of our abilities," Errick D. Simmons, captain of the moot court
>team, said. When the team advanced, Simmons had the announcer spell out
>"Howard" so that the audience would not mistakenly hear "Harvard." "The
>team we won against was good and we were just a little better," Brooks, a
>third-year law student, said. "It wasn't a slam dunk. It wasn't easy, we
>put in a lot of work, time and a lot of late nights." "We are ecstatic
>about being able to contribute to the legacy of Howard Law," Derrick
>Simmons said. "I love Patrick Swygert for his vision, Dean [Kurt] Schmoke
>for his leadership of the law school, and faculty, staff, and students for
>their continued support," referring to the university president and law
>school dean, respectively. The team has competed in four competitions this
>year and placed well in all of them. Another
> group of Huver I. Brown team members placed first in the eastern regional
>competition of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America. The team
>planned to compete in the association's national competition in West Palm
>Beach, Fla., which was to take place until April 10. Ayesha Rascoe, a
>student at Howard University, writes for the Hilltop.

2004-2005 school year
In a recent campus-wide memorandum, University President H. Patrick Swygert wrote: “Based on our knowledge of prior enrollment patterns, we believe that this year Howard will lead the nation in enrolling as new students the largest number (71) of National Achievement Scholars. National Achievement Scholars are recognized annually as the most academically competitive group of African American first-year college students in the nation. Last year, we recruited 56 Scholars; Harvard recruited 59 Scholars.”


Doesn't matter what school you go to, it's all about the dedication. Do not try to belittle my univeristy or my peers. It is all well and good that you have an opinion on it, but may I ask why you did not attend Harvard since that seems to be for the best of the best? Well never mind I think I answered it myself.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by The Truth
Howard Beats Harvard at National Moot Court Competition
>
>By Ayesha Rascoe
>
>Black College WireThe Howard University Law School's moot court team took
>first place in the American Bar Association Mock Trial Competition, the
>first team representing a historically black college or university to do
>so.
>
>
>Photo credit: The Hilltop
>
>"We are the best trial advocates," said a member of Howard's Huver I. Brown
>Trial Adovocacy Moot Court Team.
>
>Eighteen law schools, including two-time, reigning champion Harvard
>University, competed. "It solidified the fact that although others think we
>are a third-tier law school, we are the best trial advocates," said Chris
>Stewart, a third-year law student and a team member. "No mathematical
>equation can calculate our excellence in trial advocacy." Stewart was named
>best advocate in the April 2 competition. The Huver I. Brown Trial
>Adovocacy Moot Court Team includes 20 law students in their second and
>third years. The tournament, now in its 15th year, hosted teams of four.
>Stewart, Adonna Bannister, Nisha Brooks and Derrick Simmons represented the
>law school. Team members were chosen through a series of competitions.
>First, open slots for the moot court team were filled through an
>intra-school competition at the end of the spring semester. In the fall
>term, members competed among themselves to decide who would represent the
>university in tournaments. "Our success is due to our faith in
> each other as teammates, our diligent preparation and our belief that we
>will do whatever is necessary to represent our school and our community to
>the best of our abilities," Errick D. Simmons, captain of the moot court
>team, said. When the team advanced, Simmons had the announcer spell out
>"Howard" so that the audience would not mistakenly hear "Harvard." "The
>team we won against was good and we were just a little better," Brooks, a
>third-year law student, said. "It wasn't a slam dunk. It wasn't easy, we
>put in a lot of work, time and a lot of late nights." "We are ecstatic
>about being able to contribute to the legacy of Howard Law," Derrick
>Simmons said. "I love Patrick Swygert for his vision, Dean [Kurt] Schmoke
>for his leadership of the law school, and faculty, staff, and students for
>their continued support," referring to the university president and law
>school dean, respectively. The team has competed in four competitions this
>year and placed well in all of them. Another
> group of Huver I. Brown team members placed first in the eastern regional
>competition of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America. The team
>planned to compete in the association's national competition in West Palm
>Beach, Fla., which was to take place until April 10. Ayesha Rascoe, a
>student at Howard University, writes for the Hilltop.

2004-2005 school year
In a recent campus-wide memorandum, University President H. Patrick Swygert wrote: “Based on our knowledge of prior enrollment patterns, we believe that this year Howard will lead the nation in enrolling as new students the largest number (71) of National Achievement Scholars. National Achievement Scholars are recognized annually as the most academically competitive group of African American first-year college students in the nation. Last year, we recruited 56 Scholars; Harvard recruited 59 Scholars.”


Doesn't matter what school you go to, it's all about the dedication. Do not try to belittle my univeristy or my peers. It is all well and good that you have an opinion on it, but may I ask why you did not attend Harvard since that seems to be for the best of the best? Well never mind I think I answered it myself.

Moot court?

And how do National Achievement scholars compare with say National Merit Scholars?

Nobody belittled your university, you, or your peers.

-Rudey
--If I was a stud in moot court I could have attended the Sorbonne I suppose.

[preciousjeni]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Sounds like a personal problem. I don't think Harvard students are of the potential people assume they are.

It seems to me that many institutions of higher education turn out equally (and I use the term with some lenience) prepared graduates; however, money buys prestige.

[babe'sbabe]

Originally posted by Rudey
Moot court?

And how do National Achievement scholars compare with say National Merit Scholars?

Nobody belittled your university, you, or your peers.

-Rudey
--If I was a stud in moot court I could have attended the Sorbonne I suppose.

As an alum of a historically black Law School, I must say that I am not surprised. It saddens me that people look at the name on my law degree and assume that since it came from a historically black law school then it is somehow inferior. Just imagine how they feel when I kick their asses in court. Trial Ad was no joke at NCCU and I am sure Howard is the same way.

I get such pleasure when telling thoses same ignorant asses that I passed the bar on the first try while their top tier educated, had $2500 to pay for Barbri, didn't work while studying, got a job waitin' on me when I pass kid failed it TWICE!

[babe'sbabe]

Side bar: How many people actually flunk out of Harvard anyway?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by babe'sbabe
As an alum of a historically black Law School, I must say that I am not surprised. It saddens me that people look at the name on my law degree and assume that since it came from a historically black law school then it is somehow inferior. Just imagine how they feel when I kick their asses in court. Trial Ad was no joke at NCCU and I am sure Howard is the same way.

I get such pleasure when telling thoses same ignorant asses that I passed the bar on the first try while their top tier educated, had $2500 to pay for Barbri, didn't work while studying, got a job waitin' on me when I pass kid failed it TWICE!

The founder of Virgin Media, Richard Branson, still has no high school degree.

-Rudey
--I am happy for you in your success.

[Marie]

Originally posted by Rudey
Now, now. Let's relax a second.

I don't think Howard students in general are of the same potential as Harvard students. I didn't think my school's students were of the same potential either.

I just had an issue with saying they were the best of the best and thus better than other schools, or, in other words, other schools were worse.

I encourage peace, love, and understanding on Greekchat.com.

-Rudey
--I also encourage Carolina to be more clear in her comments and language.

--- No you don't encourage "peace, love and understanding". It was stated and re-stated several times that nobody was intending to say that Howard was the best school in this nation or even better than any other schools. CarolinaCutie and others clarified their statements by explaining that they meant the best and the brightest students on Howard's campus were the ones who would be accepted into BGLOs. (And we all know that you realized this when you chose to post in the 1st place) Yet you have purposely and maliciously driven this thread to where it is now. You chose to misconstrue the spirit and the meanings behind other's comments so that you could make a point to bash an HBCU and create controversy in this thread. As was said earlier, I highly doubt that you would have even questioned the "Best of the Best" statement if it were in reference to a non-HBCU. Well you can attempt to bash Howard if you want to, but the fact is that there are excellent students at Howard. The students there are "over-achievers" and most work very hard. I would happily argue that many of the students there work harder and apply themselves more than the avg. kid at a PWI. If you have a problem with this school then come right out and say it. Otherwise you need to move on, b/c your earlier point has already been made and acknowledged, and now your argument has run out of steam.

Marie

[Rudey]

Actually, Marie, it's you and the others who keep bringing it up, over and over again. I remember trying to get this thread back on course when I asked about school limitations on certain chapter sizes. And, Marie, I don't care that it is a black school. Do you have absolutely any proof otherwise that I would not have made a comment had it not been a black school?

Perhaps, Marie, you make groundless claims just for fun and are looking to make this a thread about fighting and controversy and racial wars.

-Rudey
--Please...show the peace, love and understanding.

Originally posted by Marie
--- No you don't encourage "peace, love and understanding". It was stated and re-stated several times that nobody was intending to say that Howard was the best school in this nation or even better than any other schools. CarolinaCutie and others clarified their statements by explaining that they meant the best and the brightest students on Howard's campus were the ones who would be accepted into BGLOs. (And we all know that you realized this when you chose to post in the 1st place) Yet you have purposely and maliciously driven this thread to where it is now. You chose to misconstrue the spirit and the meanings behind other's comments so that you could make a point to bash an HBCU and create controversy in this thread. As was said earlier, I highly doubt that you would have even questioned the "Best of the Best" statement if it were in reference to a non-HBCU. Well you can attempt to bash Howard if you want to, but the fact is that there are excellent students at Howard. The students there are "over-achievers" and most work very hard. I would happily argue that many of the students there work harder and apply themselves more than the avg. kid at a PWI. If you have a problem with this school then come right out and say it. Otherwise you need to move on, b/c your earlier point has already been made and acknowledged, and now your argument has run out of steam.

Marie

[Senusret I]

I don't know if this has been explained adequately -- kinda skimmed the rest of the thread....

Unless there is a "line cap" at the particular school, NPHC organizations don't generally have "slots" to fill. People in NPC orgs may still be thinking with the "quota" paradigm.

It's pretty safe to assume that NPHC orgs take as many as they feel like in a given semester, and those initiates are the best of the rush pool at that time.

Furthermore, aside from the tangible factors such as GPA, letters of recommendation, community service....there are also intangible factors that make candidates the best of the applicant pool.