any "nice" conservatives out there?

[GeekyPenguin]

Show me where it says Christianity is our official religion. I would like to see this stated in an actual governing document, such as the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution.

Hint: You're going to be looking for a long time.

[chideltjen]

Originally posted by ADqtPiMel
I guess I'll just never understand why people can't believe what they want to believe without trying to push their beliefs on people who don't agree with them. But I guess that's just me.

No, it's not just you. Regardless if it's the same belief, it all depends on how it's presented. For instance, I don't enjoy listening to the views when they are laced with fear. As in, be saved or burn in hell. (Or as I experienced: make sure you brother gets saved or you won't see him in Heaven.) To me, that energy (and money toward printing "helpful" brochures) could go to better purposes.

I lied... I'm actually a centrist. But centrists don't really get any credit in these types of debates. I lean a bit to the left so in order to get any sort of attention, I should probably just jump on the liberal bandwagon. But I'm nice regardless. [/snark]

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I carry my gun on my keyboard.

"Dad, can I get a gun rack on my bike?"

"Bobby, I've been waiting for the day you'd ask me that."

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Show me where it says Christianity is our official religion. I would like to see this stated in an actual governing document, such as the Declaration of Independence or the United States Constitution.

Hint: You're going to be looking for a long time.

But GP, she just posted a bunch of random quotes and then said she was going to the shooting range -- making it clear that she is not expected to return to try to actually discuss anything she posted.

[kddani]

Originally posted by valkyrie
But GP, she just posted a bunch of random quotes and then said she was going to the shooting range -- making it clear that she is not expected to return to try to actually discuss anything she posted.

Nah, that's just a convenient excuse not to actually have to come up with something to back herself up.

She's been online since she posted last, and has even viewed this thread. "Who's Online" is a fun tool

[RACooper]

Originally posted by valkyrie
But GP, she just posted a bunch of random quotes and then said she was going to the shooting range -- making it clear that she is not expected to return to try to actually discuss anything she posted.

Blind ignorance of history and a firm belief in "guns and god" is perhaps the most damaging segment of the "conservative" movement in the US... the fact that she posted crap from at least 40 years after the founding (and including a statment that was greated as hypocritical even then) speaks of a willingness to ignore anything contradicting her beliefs, and a bias for statements that remotely support her beliefs... something that does not enure a strong trust of her sources...

Anyways the current US conservative movement is so divorced from it's historical foundings within the Tory movement it might almost be commical (for example the firm opposition to capital punsihment). I'd say that Christianity hasn't co-opted the conservative movement - but the evangelical movement of Christianity... in much the same way as fundamentalist Islam has co-opted many Middle East governments - in philisophical opposition to the tenats of each respective faith.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by SHEETCAKE
I WOULD BE MORE DELICIOUS!

YOU'RE BACk!!!

[non-greek newby]

Originally posted by Rudey
Just so you know, it's American companies that constantly recruit them and want to bring them here. I doubt they would come if they weren't hired to begin with.

Also, what you fail to mention is the only subsidy that's keeping social security afloat right now - the subsidization of billions of dollars anually to our government by illegal workers that cannot lay claim to those funds taken out of their paychecks.

-Rudey
--I'm just saying is all.

Amen!

[TriDeltaGal]

Originally posted by WCUAXID

I also don't think that I should have to keep paying for illegal immagrants to get healthcare or unwed moms to stay on welfare and keep making babies but come every pay the government keeps taking money out for theses types of programs and more while people who do truly need some form of assistance are routinely denied, just look at some of our Vets.

Well, I never post in heated topics on GC, but I'm feeling a little feisty today, so here I go...

As a Californian (a state with a VERY high population of illegal immigrants)and as a liberal Catholic , illegal immigrants are a, for lack of a better term, a necessary evil. Come visit me in California and I'll take to you Ventura county so you can observe the migrant illegal agriculture workers. These people work twelve hour days, bent over all those lovely strawberries you will eat this season, for minimum wage (if lucky) in the blistering sun. Whereas, in Central America, they can work the same, if not longer hours, for a whopping nine dollars a DAY (yes, this is factual information from my UCLA History of U.S. Immigration class). As "Christians", tell me why you don't believe these people should be allowed to obtain the best life for themselves they can, or as a "Christian" , why you shouldn't help those less fortunate as Christ did and calls all Christians to do. Conservatives (and some of my best friends, by the way) always fall back on the "fact" illegal immigrants are a bane on our economy and our societal sytems, but as Rudey illustrated, they are far from it.
So, we've come to the conclusion, people, who came here just like your ancestors, shouldn't be given the same consideration and "pursuit of happiness"... wait I thought this was what the U.S.A stood from its inception. And from my experience working with several various social service programs and within the education system, these people are not here for the downfall and economic bankruptcy of the United States, but are here to give themselves and their children one ounce of the life you are so blessed to enjoy by doing work no "American" will do. Seriously, how many native-born Americans would work for the same wage in horrible conditions, in our society that is quickly moving away from its "blue-collar" dominated economic system?

[WCUAXID]

So, we've come to the conclusion, people, who came here just like your ancestors, shouldn't be given the same consideration and "pursuit of happiness"...

HAHA, I just knew that someone was going to bring up the whole "your ancestors were immigrants" thing. One of the things that makes the situation different today as to back when my great great grandparents came over from Poland was that my family, even way back then, made it a point to learn english. My great great grandfather was a very smart man and knew that in order to make it in a new country that he and his family would have to embrace the American way of life and not expect Americans to learn Polish. I don't understand why I, as an American, am expected to be tolerant of the non-speaking residents. Why are there billboards in Spanish, why do ATM machines give you a choice of language. Why do I have to have some of my pay go to the education system only to fund a teacher to teach Spanish to American children?? Why does that teacher not teach English to the children who can not speak English?? We are not helping the illegal immigrants by catering to them, we are only making the situation worse. I don't care if we have millions of immigrants that come in on a daily basis, as long as they can speak English or are willing to go to classes to learn and that they are here legally!!
Oh I know that they take crap jobs that Americans just don't want to do, but that is not neccisarily the case any more. Alot of construction jobs are now going to illegals because they do it cheaper and they do not have any health benefits. I know that it is also the fault of the companies or individuals that hire out this type of help. It still does not help the situation.
Also I have had several friends and family members that have been involved in several auto accidents which were not their fault, unfortunatly they were hit by an uninsured Mexican mototist that was here illegally. Now get this, their insurance went up through no fault of their own, is that fair??
I guess what I am trying to say through all of these rambelings is that I am absolutely for immigrants coming over to America, as long as it is legal and they can speak English or are willing to learn. I believe that everyone should have a great life and be able to do all the great things that Americans get to do. And one of the ways to ensure that they have a quality life in America is to make sure that they are here legally. This way they can not be taken advantage of on their wages, they can pay into the system and get something back, and they can instill theses values into their children.
I can respect your point of view please respect mine

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by ADPi Conniebama
I saw a question mark after a statement. However, if you are asking me how I know we have freedom of religion, because we are a Christian Nation . . . my knowledge comes from the realization that (just for one example) all of the Muslim nations do not have freedom of religion - if you are a jew or a christian you better watch out in Saudi Arabia or Iran.

You are wrong on all account. Sorry that your knowledge is limited.

[kddani]

Originally posted by moe.ron
You are wrong on all account. Sorry that your knowledge is limited.

Well, she obviously knows that her knowledge is limited, hence why she refuses to respond to the thread

You know, if it was okay to make arguments and present things as fact with absolutely NO proof to back them up, my job would be SO much easier.

Originally posted by ADPi Conniebama
Wow Geeky you got me!! What would us Christian Conservatives do without you libs to spell/grammer check us.

I guess they'd find someone else they don't agree with to pick on because of a simple mistake.

[KSig RC]

I think Conniebama just exceeded the site's bandwidth limit for logical fallacies - but just in case, I submit for your approval:

citations, please

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by ADPiZXalum
I guess they'd find someone else they don't agree with to pick on because of a simple mistake.

Hey, you can love your God all you want, just like I can - but it is completely inappropriate to infer that the US is a Christian nation. That's absurd, inane, and completely goes against the values of Christianity and of our nation. Seriously, what is so difficult to understand about this? How can you take out-of-context quotations and try to 'prove' an argument post hoc? I'm about to puke here.