Racial Supremacist on GC

[Optimist Prime]

Originally posted by kddani
shame shame, you haven't read earlier posts in the thread:

Originally posted by kddani
A gay white republican Catholic who had formerly been married to a black woman.

LOL, I guess that every state/provience/republic is designed for specific views.

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by Professor
Without being a member of my organization, I think it presents a problem for outsiders to understand the challenges members face. I have often stated that I don't agree with individual opinions of all my Brothers but I do encourage commentary. Sadly, the case at hand, that being gays in Alpha has caused much internal and external debate. Ultimatley, Alpha has direction from our national office. However, on GC the opinions expressed are the individul views of Brothers. Whatever your thoughts of their personal views are just that.

As a moderator of Alpha Avenue, I want folk to be welcomed. . . welcomed to know opinions may not always be accepted and welcomed to know comments are subject to debate and personal interruption.

I think most of us are sensible enough to realize that our opinions won't be agreed with or that we will meet resistance to some of our ideas. With so many people from different backgrounds on this board, that is life.

What we have in this situation, in this thread, is a member who has said a number of things that are tremenously offensive and upsetting to other members. Some of his comments include talk of a Jewish-dominated Hollywood, statements relating the Jewish faith with the KKK and making demeaning comments about women. When one brings any sort of opinion differing from his own, he then mocks the poster.

Debate is a good thing...making and offensive comment and refusing to entertain debate is not a good thing.

[Professor]

your point is well taken

Originally posted by KSigkid
I think most of us are sensible enough to realize that our opinions won't be agreed with or that we will meet resistance to some of our ideas. With so many people from different backgrounds on this board, that is life.

What we have in this situation, in this thread, is a member who has said a number of things that are tremenously offensive and upsetting to other members. Some of his comments include talk of a Jewish-dominated Hollywood, statements relating the Jewish faith with the KKK and making demeaning comments about women. When one brings any sort of opinion differing from his own, he then mocks the poster.

Debate is a good thing...making and offensive comment and refusing to entertain debate is not a good thing.

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Professor
Without being a member of my organization, I think it presents a problem for outsiders to understand the challenges members face. I have often stated that I don't agree with individual opinions of all my Brothers but I do encourage commentary. Sadly, the case at hand, that being gays in Alpha has caused much internal and external debate. Ultimatley, Alpha has direction from our national office. However, on GC the opinions expressed are the individul views of Brothers. Whatever your thoughts of their personal views are just that.

As a moderator of Alpha Avenue, I want folk to be welcomed. . . welcomed to know opinions may not always be accepted and welcomed to know comments are subject to debate and personal interruption.

And you, friend, are welcomed to euphemize and avoid the issue. Sadly, you have missed the point markedly here - limiting the 'case at hand' to gays in Alpha is a gross underrepresentation of the scope and veracity of comments.

Also, these are, in fact, the opinions of individual brothers - individual brothers who are under a certain level of expectation under the Terms of Service for greekchat.com, as well as a certain level of responsibility to respect other users of the site. You are welcomed to enforce these rules by something other than caprice or a misguided sense of libertarian free speech.

You are also more than welcome to correct any misinterpretation of his views that we've shown here so far. If you cannot, I am forced to believe that his views are NOT subject to misinterpretation, and neither are his personal jabs, and as such . . . not only are his opinions not accepted, they CANNOT be accepted in any sort of intelligent debate and discussion among grown men and women. As one with the responsibility to ensure that intelligent debate and discussion can take place, you are welcomed to do your job at that point.

ETA: Professor, I mean no disrespect or offense to you personally by mirroring your stylistic tendencies - however, I hope you can see the flip side here too in this situation as it quickly grows into a farce.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by ZTAngel
Maybe it's because our opinions don't matter. Especially mine because, after all, I am a "blondie-brat".

No, you're a foxy-brownie.

[ZTAngel]

Originally posted by cashmoney
No, you're a foxy-brownie.

LOL. I like that.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by Rudey
You need to keep quiet old man, before the signature comes out again.

-Rudey
--I will make you behave even if your momma didn't teach you

OMFG!!!!! Thats hilarious.



-break it out, just one more time.

[cashmoney]

Originally posted by ZTAngel
LOL. I like that.

Haha!

[FHwku]

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
I think Christiananity is the cause of all racism. I would go into detail explaining this, but I know you'll just scroll down to the end. So anyway, here is a chicken.

and


if you blame Christianity for all racism, do you have any other bad -isms caused by other major religions? [exclude the Church of Scientology and the Church of the Almighty Dollar.

does two chickens in one post constitute a cock fight? can i say cock on tv?

[RACooper]

Well I was over in "Alpha Avenue" just checking up on what if anything has been done about the tool that inspired this thread.... and was shocked once again to discover other members of Alpha Phi Alpha defending racism (and now even moreso homophobia).

You can read the posts because they haven't been deleted, and you can witness the continued promotion of hate and ignorance by members in the forum - Yes repeated complaints have been made to the moderators about the content and tone of the messages (and in some cases threads).... but so far no action...

With the way it's going the impression being given is no longer tacit acceptance for the racism, homophobia, misogyny, ignorance and hate - but now apparently support. The irony of an orginization founded because of the igonorant prejudice of others defending the same within their own ranks would be comical if it wasn't so repugnant.

So apparently to the discredit of Alpha Phi Alpha's everywhere - the Alpha Phi Alpha forum here on GC has become the proud home of racists, homophobes, misogynists, uneducated trash. To me this is the most disturbing aspect of the issues brought up in this thread and others... I have great respect for Alpha Phi Alpha and what it has and continues to accomplish; I respect many of the Alpha Phi Alpha brothers that post on GC - but I can't accept or respect the continued promotion of hate taking place in Alpha Phi Alpha's name here on GC...

[cash78mere]

i just find it completely ironic that people come out of the woodworks to blast fraternities and fraternity members who do stupid things (such as wearing blackface or hazing) and immediately attack the people/organization. but then that "man" (he's no man in my book) has the audacity to blatantly be homophobic and racist toward whites and everyone defends him! i don't get it...some people tend to have different rules that they live by depending on who's doing the talking.

looks like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[kddani]

Originally posted by cash78mere
looks like a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

pun intended?

[DeltaSigStan]

All we can do is pray our children never have to interact with his......

[ladygreek]

In all fairness, many folx on the D9 threads have PHAShriner on ignore or just don't bother to read his threads. And others of us do take him to task--many times in PM.

In fact, I did not even bother to read his Black Nation thread until RA Cooper made reference to it over there.

My take on it is the saying about arguing with a fool. I am not going to change is beliefs, only his own life experiences will do that. As a child of the 60s, my own personal experiences led me to feel some of the things he has expressed. But further experiences and maturity have taught me otherwise.

And as an ACLU member and employee, I do fervently believe in the First Amendment. If what PHA is saying is in violation of GC rules, then John needs to deal with him.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
I'm willing to bet dollars to donuts that he is manic depressive. That's in addition to being a black version of a KKK member.

I know this is from a while ago but this is the first time I've read this thread, so bear with me. I hate to chair the anti-fun committee once again, but I've noticed a lot of cheap shots on GC directed at people who deal with depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, "people who don't take their medication," etc. lately. It's stigmatization of these issues that leads to people not seeking help, and given that 20 percent of all people suffering from bipolar disorder ultimately end up committing suicide, I'd think we'd want to minimize the stigmatization rather than add to it.

Taking up my spot as the uber-PC girl on this board once again -- while "manic depression" might be a fun throw-around term for you, it's not a ton of fun for those who actually deal with it (clearly, given the suicide statistics). And given that PHAShriner's behavior doesn't even really reflect that of a bipolar person, if you insist on throwing out medical terms, you could have found a more accurate personality disorder/mental illness to name drop. Antisocial personality disorder, maybe?



Back to the actual topic of this thread: so yeah, why hasn't this guy been banned yet?